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userbinator ◴[] No.44334486[source]
making it nearly impossible for regular users to uninstall it without root access, which voids warranties and poses security risks

Stop parroting the corporate propaganda that put us into this stupid situation in the first place. Having root access on devices you own should be a fundamental right, as otherwise it's not ownership.

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bongodongobob[dead post] ◴[] No.44334616[source]
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potamic ◴[] No.44334656[source]
You can default to a hardened, secure setup but provide an option to override to those who want to. I don't think anyone is against secure defaults, but many people have a problem with designs that say you must not even have an option to override.
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burnt-resistor ◴[] No.44334887[source]
It creates a Hobson's choice of no tinkering and less malware, or tinkering and greater risks from malware. There should be a "maintenance mode", but the onus of responsibility for breakage should be on the user for system update compatibility without the user being held hostage. This is a false choice and ostensible customizability. If the manufacturer wants to add an "OS warranty void sticker" flag because things maybe broken from tweaking, that's cool, but leaving the user less secure as punishment is wrong.
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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.44335665[source]
> There should be a "maintenance mode", but the onus of responsibility for breakage should be on the user for system update compatibility without the user being held hostage

Isn’t this just a second device? How can you hold a manufacturer liable if the user was given unsupervised time as root?

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hilbert42 ◴[] No.44335841[source]
"How can you hold a manufacturer liable if the user was given unsupervised time as root?"

PCs had root access by default, so why wasn't it a significant problem for them? Banking is possible on a PC without a banking app.

As Noam Chomsky has said, as in politics, manufacturers and OS vendors such as Google and Microsoft have been deliberately "manufacturing concent" — a widespread belief in the population of users that benefits them to the disadvantage of many of said users.

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1. burnt-resistor ◴[] No.44337025[source]
Manufactured consent requires media complicity to achieve acceptance of Hobson's choice Accept or Don't Use EULAs and corporate, technofeudal non-ownership and the "shame" of specialized knowledge, tinkering, and modifying things. Nerds were frowned upon until electronics and software people became billionaires in the 80's, and technical vocations are still frowned upon in socially most of America.

PS: While he maybe in effectively hospice now, at least he outlived Kissinger.

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2. hilbert42 ◴[] No.44337621[source]
"Manufactured consent requires media complicity to achieve acceptance of Hobson's choice Accept or Don't"

Right, I've never fully understood why the media was (and still is) so complicit. There's a long history of the media, especially the tech media, mags etc. ass-licking the likes of Microsoft, Google et al. It's been horrible sight to watch over the decades. Perhaps it's because of kickbacks, fear of exclusion from events, press releases, or handouts—free software etc., or that many had/have shares in such entities—or the belief that those who run such entities are only one step removed from the gods—hero worshiping.

We users would now be in a damn side better prosition if the media had done its job professionally.

"technical vocations are still frowned upon in socially most of America."

Right again, and America is not the only place, such thought is endemic across the anglosphere.