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Zaheer ◴[] No.44314495[source]
Original DHS Announcement on Social Media Screening: https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-releases/dhs-to-begin-sc...

State Dept on what is considered Antisemitism: https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/

These definitions are intentionally broad and designed to censor criticism of Israel. You have more freedom to criticize the US Government than to criticize a foreign country.

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keernan ◴[] No.44314820[source]
>>You have more freedom to criticize the US Government than to criticize a foreign country.

I doubt that. I would honestly be shocked if anyone with anti-Trump posts would 'pass' DHS screening.

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TimorousBestie ◴[] No.44315076[source]
The IHRA definition of antisemitism is so vague that it includes otherwise innocuous and/or factual statements.

> “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

In IHRA’s defense, this definition was never intended for legal use. But here we are.

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timr ◴[] No.44315433[source]
They go on to discuss more than a page of examples, all of which sound completely reasonable to me. Or perhaps you could just quote the very next paragraph, which is pretty specific:

> Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

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KingMob ◴[] No.44315543[source]
Many are reasonable, but several are not.

> Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

One does not entail the other. You can support our right to self-determination while not supporting Israel's apartheid-style policies, but this sentence conflates them.

> Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

This is pure whataboutism. Israel is actually given incredible leeway by America, and I usually see this trotted out to shut down legitimate criticism. There's a good discussion to be had about why we don't criticize China, or why we ignore atrocities in African countries, but none of that absolves Israel from its misdeeds.

> Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

Call it "sparkling ethnic cleansing" then. Ironically, actual genocide scholars have pointed out that when the Shoah is your metric, then almost nothing can compare, rendering the word useless.

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timr ◴[] No.44317362[source]
> > Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

> One does not entail the other. You can support our right to self-determination while not supporting...policies, but this sentence conflates them.

Uh...exactly? You're criticizing the state. Per the definition you can do that, but you can't generalize to the people. And certainly, calling the state a "racist endeavor" should cross the line?

Basically, all three of your examples boil down to the same thing: you want to accuse a nation of something bad, and think it’s somehow unfair that, under this definition, you can’t then accuse a people of the act. That isn’t ambiguous. If you did the same thing for, say, Chinese people and the CCP, you’d be equally wrong. Jewish people are not of one mind about current events, and that seems like a fairly obvious point.

As far as the third item, specifically, any comparison to the Nazi party is so hyperbolic as to be in obvious bad faith.

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harimau777 ◴[] No.44317555[source]
Accusing a nation of something bad is precisely what their definition of anti-semitism includes. The examples they gave are all from the controversal definition of anti-semitism.
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1. timr ◴[] No.44317585[source]
> Accusing a nation of something bad is precisely what their definition of anti-semitism includes.

They literally say the opposite, right in the paragraph I quoted at the top.

Yes, they give examples of criticizing Israel. But the point of the examples is that you a) can't apply standards unique to Israel, and b) if you do criticize the country, it's not fair game to extend it to an entire people.

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2. SauciestGNU ◴[] No.44319330[source]
But under this guideline it seems that if I say "ethnostates are a crime against humanity and Israel is committing genocide to create an ethnostate just like the Nazis did" I'm violating these guidelines in a number of ways despite this being purely political criticism leveled at the state and not at Jewish people.
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3. timr ◴[] No.44320237[source]
It seems to me that you’ve understood the point and are now just attempting to play games with code.
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4. SauciestGNU ◴[] No.44320766{3}[source]
I'm not sure what you mean, can you elaborate?