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neilv ◴[] No.44315154[source]
This one isn't as bad as some other things that have already happened in the space, but I've been wondering...

If I was a non-US person, who previously wanted to visit or move the US -- as a student, industry engineer/scientist, academic researcher, teacher, doctor/nurse, investor/founder, conference attendee, or tourist -- recent news events would've already had me put that wish on hold, indefinitely.

Even though those all are people that the US wants coming, they are being discouraged.

So, who has the US already started missing out on, what are the situations of people who are still coming, and how soon will even they stop?

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TZubiri ◴[] No.44315375[source]
Personally, no.

The stance of the US on illegal inmigration has always been clear, and the process for requesting a B1B2 visa is like a rite of entry where it is made even clearer (interviews, seriousness). My father explained it to me when I was young, I must have thought the process was a bit too harsh, "going to their country is like going to somebody else's home, you need to follow their rules, and it's a privilege not a right, to enter".

From what I read, the rules haven't changed, rather they are being enforced. My perspective as an outsider is that the people that complain are mostly leftist extremist from one of the most left leaning and inmigrant heavy states (CA).

I know a lot of people from my country that consider breaking rules and laws as part of natural life and they see visa rules as some other rule to be broken, lots of people that overstay visitor and business visas to work and live in the states or other countries.

I see these changes in enforcement as positive to me, as they do not restrict me in any way except in false positives, as I was already complying with the law and my visa terms. If anything, I am benefitted, as the benefits that are given to law abiding people are becoming exclusive to those that abide the law, instead of also those that disregard it.

It reminds me of this scene from mad men

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FC1VU_uO4

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1. neilv ◴[] No.44315898[source]
(I appreciate you sharing your perspective, and I'll assume it's sincere, and I don't know why you were downvoted.)

I think that's a nice Mad Men scene in some ways. But we can agree that the writer used weak, stoned, strawman hippie characters for dramatic effect, so that Don Draper could be cool and reinforce the character. The closing line was especially smooth, and fit (and burned).

That scene expresses how you feel, and that's one entertaining way to communicate it, and that's fine.

But I hope we all agree that the scene doesn't constitute competent debate of the merits of feeling that way?