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neilv ◴[] No.44315154[source]
This one isn't as bad as some other things that have already happened in the space, but I've been wondering...

If I was a non-US person, who previously wanted to visit or move the US -- as a student, industry engineer/scientist, academic researcher, teacher, doctor/nurse, investor/founder, conference attendee, or tourist -- recent news events would've already had me put that wish on hold, indefinitely.

Even though those all are people that the US wants coming, they are being discouraged.

So, who has the US already started missing out on, what are the situations of people who are still coming, and how soon will even they stop?

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1. TriangleEdge ◴[] No.44315383[source]
I recently migrated to the USA from Canada. I make 2x the income I made in Canada. My work is about the same as it was. I was also able to get competent medical care in the USA but in Canada I was on a waitlist for 2 years. I had to jump through a lot of hoops and the GC process was shitty, but my life is good here and I am glad I came.

I think economic freedom is a powerful motivator. Unlocking a social media account is hardly a deterrent.

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2. intended ◴[] No.44315713[source]
This is a great point to highlight how the current ability of America to produce outcomes like yours, is downstream of their ability to maintain institutional fitness.

These instructions are symptoms that show that the institutional fitness is degraded.

Good planning would be to come to America, take advantage of the increase in pay or opportunity, and several years later, leave once the inevitable co-morbidities become too much.

3. kamikaze56 ◴[] No.44316927[source]
Cool. As long as you dont care about LBGT persecution, children being forced to give birth and minorities being sent to El Salvador, enjoy your economic freedom. Seems like your values and what you look for in a society are a match with the current state of affairs in USA.
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4. sabellito ◴[] No.44317181[source]
I see this argument a lot. It works if you don't mind being surrounded by people in much, much worse condition than yours, for no reason other than policy cruelty.
5. overfeed ◴[] No.44321868[source]
> I think economic freedom is a powerful motivator. Unlocking a social media account is hardly a deterrent.

Sounds like an amazing place if you're healthy and able to work, the two things that are not guaranteed day-to-day, and will inevitably decline with age.

> Unlocking a social media account is hardly a deterrent.

I'm always reading on HN that America is inherently destined to out-innovate China because of "Democracy" and "Free Speech" - but here we are, with first amendment rights being chilled[1] in blatant ways. I wonder how those HNers see the future of American innovation.

1. Historically, the American government has always been hands-off with the KKK and American Nazis because of their 1A rights. Rights that don't seem to extend to vocal brown university students criticizing a foreign government.

6. Shocka1 ◴[] No.44377655[source]
Friendly reminder to everyone that this isn't Reddit, although comments like this make it seem so.