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__loam ◴[] No.44314220[source]
This is a gross violation of some of our most sacred principles.
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buckle8017 ◴[] No.44314475[source]
Can you be specific which principles this violates?

Historically visas could and were denied for completely arbitrary reasons.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.44314488[source]
> Can you be specific which principles this violates?

The right to free speech. Even in its restrictive First Amendment form.

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lesuorac ◴[] No.44314512[source]
I'm not sure 1FA applies to non-US individuals on non-US soil.

Once they're in the country, sure.

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Not that I think it's been demonstrated that this policy will improve US security or etc. Wonder if the APA applies here.

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lucyjojo ◴[] No.44314539[source]
there is a giant split between people.

some people only consider their in-groups as worthy of having rights.

others consider all human beings as worthy of having rights.

you see that schism in play everyday almost everywhere. i fear it is not a resolvable tension (without some kind of mass severe brainwashing). it is a core beliefs kind of thing.

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1. FireBeyond ◴[] No.44315203[source]
Yeah, it's becoming more and more pervasive that you have to have "earned" those "inalienable" rights, by virtue of being a citizen. If those rights are great, what's one reason why they shouldn't be extended to all.