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titanomachy ◴[] No.44305194[source]
“Good debugger worth weight in shiny rocks, in fact also more”

I’ve spent time at small startups and on “elite” big tech teams, and I’m usually the only one on my team using a debugger. Almost everyone in the real world (at least in web tech) seems to do print statement debugging. I have tried and failed to get others interested in using my workflow.

I generally agree that it’s the best way to start understanding a system. Breaking on an interesting line of code during a test run and studying the call stack that got me there is infinitely easier than trying to run the code forwards in my head.

Young grugs: learning this skill is a minor superpower. Take the time to get it working on your codebase, if you can.

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PaulHoule ◴[] No.44305414[source]
I would tend to say that printf debugging is widespread in the Linux-adjacent world because you can't trust a visual debugger to actually be working there because of the general brokenness of GUIs in the Linux world.

I didn't really get into debuggers until (1) I was firmly in Windows, where you expect the GUI to work and the LI to be busted, and (2) I'd been burned too many times by adding debugging printfs() that got checked into version control and caused trouble.

Since then I've had some adventures with CLI debuggers, such as using gdb to debug another gdb, using both jdb and gdb on the same process at the same time to debug a Java/C++ system, automating gdb, etc. But there is the thing, as you say, is that there is usually some investment required to get the debugger working for a particular system.

With a good IDE I think Junit + debugging gives an experience in Java similar to using the REPL in a language like Python in that you can write some code that is experimental and experiment it, but in this case the code doesn't just scroll out of the terminal but ultimately gets checked in as a unit test.

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bandrami ◴[] No.44305740[source]
Why would you want a GUI debugger?
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ipdashc ◴[] No.44306276[source]
Honestly, I consider myself pretty comfortable with the terminal and vim and whatnot, but I've never been able to get into using GDB. For me I feel like a debugger is one of those things that's just so much better as a proper GUI.
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1. tom_ ◴[] No.44314241[source]
I can't do it either. Something about typing commands that have some kind of grammar and pressing Return to submit each one for consideration just throws me off. Don't make me think. Thinking is typically what got the code into this mess in the first place - whether too much of it or too little, it doesn't really matter. Time to try some other approach.