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elric ◴[] No.44297158[source]
Can we get a federated messenger already?

Sure, we have email, but the MS/Google duopoloy has effectively unfederated that, with their inscrutable block lists and nonexistent appeals processes, allegedly in order to protect you from spam.

Sure, XMPP is a thing, which has been mostly dead for well over a decade.

Sure, Matrix is a thing, but every time I look at it, all I see is criticism of its specifications and poor interoperability between implementations?

What would it take to sort out this mess? More money for Matrix or XMPP? Someone with enough clout to promote them? I'm sure organizations like the UN or the EU would, in theory, be in favour of an effective global communicator. But those same organizations would like rail against encryption and decentralisation.

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1. seydor ◴[] No.44297773[source]
Easy, expand SMTP. If the target doesn't have smtp messenger, send as email.

No need to reinvent the wheel. But who are we kidding, of course we will

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2. reedlaw ◴[] No.44297845[source]
Sounds like https://delta.chat/
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3. mr_mitm ◴[] No.44297979[source]
Forward secrecy and deniability would be nice to have though.
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4. NoGravitas ◴[] No.44299073{3}[source]
My main gripe with Delta Chat is that it works poorly for groups: it sends an email for each member of the group. This risks your email account being flagged for spam, or at least rate limited.

It's great for direct chats and very small groups.