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leokennis ◴[] No.44289612[source]
At least in The Netherlands, WhatsApp could show a 60 second unskippable modal ad video on every launch, and still get away with it due to network effects.

If you’re not on WhatsApp, no updates or news from your kids school, your sports team, your family, your car dealership etc. for you.

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AlecSchueler ◴[] No.44289688[source]
Signal seems to be booming right now in the Netherlands. I've been using it for years and never managed to grow my contact list beyond single digits, being a few friends in tech and a few who were very privacy conscious. All of those people were also available on WhatsApp and we'd often forget and message one another there.

But since January the trust in Meta has not only plummeted but it's become a mainstream enough talking point that I now receive invites to join Signal groups from--for want of a better term--normal people. Two of the local parenting groups I'm on are on Signal and no one ever mentions it or questions it, it's just "here's the group link" and the expectation that everyone has it installed.

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ghusto ◴[] No.44291471[source]
In the Netherlands, was trying to promote Signal.

I switched phones and lost all my history. Now I’m fairly careful with these things, and make backups, but even I wasn’t able to get it back. Couldn’t recommend it to anyone since.

There’s a line between being secure and being useful, and they’re slightly unbalanced in Signal.

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jeroenhd ◴[] No.44294189[source]
Had the same happen with WhatsApp. Turns out you get one chance to get the local file backup right or you're screwed.
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account-5 ◴[] No.44296157[source]
Just out of interest, why are you keeping your chat history? What for? All my chats are set to burn after 6 months as standard but most are shorter than this.
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1. fsflover ◴[] No.44297662[source]
If you, after 20 years, can process all your chat history with a (locally run!) AI, you may find a lot of interesting things about yourself and your friends.
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2. fwn ◴[] No.44304449[source]
It is much more likely that someone else will process all my chat history at a border checkpoint or somewhere similar and find out a lot of interesting things about me and my friends.
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3. fsflover ◴[] No.44304481[source]
Don't keep it all on your phone and unencrypted.
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4. account-5 ◴[] No.44304572[source]
But why? Genuine question, What's the point? It's not going to improve anything.
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5. fsflover ◴[] No.44307423[source]
Why are you so sure it's not? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_thyself
6. fwn ◴[] No.44308276{3}[source]
> Don't keep it all on your phone and unencrypted.

I've had a 90-day message retention policy set in WhatsApp ever since the feature became available. Not because I doubt my ability to manage secure backups, but because I don't expect my contacts to act equally careful.

I wish Signal supported a 90-day retention period. Four weeks (Signal max) is often too short for my contacts, which leads people to disable it altogether.

I also find it frustrating that Signal only applies your message retention policy to the conversation when you initiate the conversation, not when others do. As a result, more of my conversations end up being ephemeral on WhatsApp than on Signal, which feels a bit ironic.

7. AlecSchueler ◴[] No.44308486[source]
So might anyone else, which is very worrying with the new rise of facism.
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8. fsflover ◴[] No.44309047[source]
If you really care about it, you should probably pursue anonymity on the Internet, too. The worldwide data collection from websites is far more concerning and harder to deal with. I use Qubes-Whonix for that.