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mrtksn ◴[] No.44289633[source]
Does anybody have stats on how many people are O.K. paying for their core services, i.e. how many people pay for paid personal e-mail services?

I just don't want to believe that our services have to be paid for through proxy by giving huge cut to 3rd parties. The quality goes down both as UX and as core content, our attention span is destroyed, our privacy is violated and our political power is being stolen as content gets curated by those who extract money by giving us the "free" services.

It's simply very inefficient. IMHO we should go back to pay for what you use, this can't go on forever. There must be way to turn everything into a paid service where you get what you paid for and have your lives enhanced instead of monetized by proxy.

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blitzar ◴[] No.44289645[source]
> Does anybody have stats on how many people are O.K. paying for their core services

Rounded to the nearest meaningful number - 0%

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mrtksn ◴[] No.44289667[source]
I don't know, I expect it to be at least %3 as this is the general conversion rate for "free" users AFAIK.

There must be some some number that makes it viable to have free users and paid users. For games, the free users are usually those who provide the "content".

People usually demonize freemium games but IMHO its much more benign than extracting huge sums by artificially making it worse and sell attention.

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1. blitzar ◴[] No.44289699[source]
Most of those are tricked into it by manipulative UI or nearly impossible to cancel trials or forgotten monthly subscriptions.
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2. mrtksn ◴[] No.44289733[source]
How is it possible to have impossible to cancel trails? On AppStore it's in your account and takes 2 taps to cancel regardless of what the developer does.

Are you talking for direct, by credit card payments that somehow you can't cancel? Can you explain a bit?

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3. blitzar ◴[] No.44289804[source]
The abuse was so rampant that even the US has had to legislate. US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) introduced a new regulation, known as the “click to cancel” rule.

As for the darkest of dark patterns - give Adobe some money and see what happens.

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4. mrtksn ◴[] No.44289852{3}[source]
Right, my rule of thumb is to stick with AppStore and when that's not an option use a Virtual card that I can just abandon if I don't want to use the service.
5. esrauch ◴[] No.44293268[source]
Play Store also does this now and it's a fundamentally radical departure from the era where if you give the company your card info directly theres a high chance you aren't going to be able to get out of it without paying at least some amount more than you should.

Think gyms where you refuse to cancel even when you are physically there in person with someone to yell at and imagine trying to do the same online where there's not a phone number, or a phone number with a 1 hour wait and a CSR paid based on if they can successfully not give you what you want