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1. mschuster91 ◴[] No.44090946[source]
The solution is, as always, simple: regulation. In this case:

- break up Ticketmaster, Live Nation and their European friends. Ban vertical integration. And for good measure (and to placate the public who is out for blood, and I mean that one in the literal sense - ask a random on the street about what they'd do to scalpers and TM, I'd bet good money on at least 50% going for one or another form of violence), place their execs behind bars for a decade.

- mandate that a ticket holder has the right to transfer a personalized ticket for free (plus, in the case of actual paper tickets, a reasonable small service charge for postal fees)

- in conjunction, ban the sale of tickets above face value, including any sort of deals, and place significant fines on violators of both ends. This completely eliminates the "second hand" scalper market. Of course, black markets will still crop up, but when both sides cannot be certain the opposing trade partner is a cop...

Unfortunately, this would also kill a lot of income for the big players - chiefly, the ticket sale platforms that currently make an insane amount of money on bogus charges for name changes on tickets as well as running their own resale markets where they can double or triple dip on fees (depending how often that specific ticket gets sold back for whatever reason). And that is why such a movement will probably never happen during our lifetime.

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2. ahtihn ◴[] No.44091122[source]
Why should ticket sales be regulated? Why should the government care about what price event tickets sell for?

Concerts are pure luxury. I like going to concerts, but I don't see a reason why the government should intervene? Scalpers exist because artists underprice tickets on purpose.

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3. cladopa ◴[] No.44092070[source]
>I'd bet good money on at least 50% going for one or another form of violence), place their execs behind bars for a decade.

Why not send them to the firing squad? Or torturing them?

Some people have sociopathic tendencies. If your problem is scrappers making money the solution could not be creating a bigger problem like sending people to jail for a decade.

Comming recently from visiting Ukraine I can't help thinking how insignificant those pet problems are, while real crimes like kids being killed go impune every day... If the price of something is too high, just don't go there. It is not the end of the world.

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4. mschuster91 ◴[] No.44092568[source]
> Why should ticket sales be regulated? Why should the government care about what price event tickets sell for?

Simple: because a government should take care about what its citizens want. And on top of that, the economy (aka artists and venues that really REALLY don't want to deal with TM but have no other choice) also wants it.

That's why anti-trust legislation was created. It just fell out of practice to actually use it.

5. mschuster91 ◴[] No.44092591[source]
> If your problem is scrappers making money the solution could not be creating a bigger problem like sending people to jail for a decade.

My problem is the profiteering, the concentration and subsequent abuse of power by the rich. It used to be the case that rich overlords who abused their power got deposed by their population, driven off with pitchforks if they were lucky, decapitated by guillotine if not. Personally I don't want a return to such grisly times, hence I call for at least punishing abusers by putting them behind bars.

> Comming recently from visiting Ukraine I can't help thinking how insignificant those pet problems are, while real crimes like kids being killed go impune every day...

Now Putin and his command chain, I don't think anyone but rabid tankies would have an issue with their lives being condemned in a repeat of the Nuremberg Trials.

6. BrenBarn ◴[] No.44093279[source]
Because most people don't like scalpers, and the government is a way for people to incentivize the society they want.
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7. johnisgood ◴[] No.44095205{3}[source]
> for people to incentivize the society they want.

Speak for yourself (pun intended).