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Death of Michael Ledeen, maker of the phony case for the invasion of Iraq

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93 points nabla9 | 10 comments | 25 May 25 07:08 UTC | HN request time: 0.404s | source | bottom
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jaybrendansmith ◴[25 May 25 16:47 UTC] No.44089027[source]▶
This is the last time I felt the power of the propaganda machine. (The most recent time was the 2024 election) It was so obvious to myself and my friends that this was completely cooked up intelligence. And yet the truth was not getting out, and had fooled many people with this strange groupthink, almost like a dumb, braying herd animal, where the collective intelligence was utterly ambushed and tied up in a sack. I don't like feeling powerless, yet I have this feeling that our voices have been smothered of late, destroyed by ridiculous talking points.
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1. princealiiiii ◴[25 May 25 17:17 UTC] No.44089221[source]▶
The same propoganda machine has been on full effect in Israel's war on Gaza with American support. As soon as the attacks happened, there was a rush of propaganda (40 beheaded babies, mass rapes) to make the Hamas attacks seem completely unprovoked to justify the complete destruction of Gaza. The good news is Americans are more questioning this time of why they need to be involved in this at all.
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2. Duwensatzaj ◴[26 May 25 02:49 UTC] No.44093507[source]▶
What’s hilarious is how the “40 beheaded babies” claim is indeed propaganda - from Hamas apologists.

The original statement is that 40 infants were murdered during the Oct 7th massacre and infants were beheaded, no number given. This somehow mutated into the claim that all 40 murdered infants were beheaded so the claim could be ridiculed.

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3. zoklet-enjoyer ◴[26 May 25 03:07 UTC] No.44093592[source]▶
Nope https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax
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4. nicbou ◴[26 May 25 06:01 UTC] No.44094404[source]▶
I am getting the compete opposite side, on average. Although Western states are very pro Israel, everything I read on social media is pro Palestine. On the street even more so (across a lot of countries).
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5. maeil ◴[26 May 25 10:24 UTC] No.44095922[source]▶
> Although Western states are very pro Israel.

They're not, you're simply misinformed. The US and Germany have been. Countries like Ireland, Spain and Scotland have not. A lot of others have been somewhere inbetween, often as weakly-held beliefs. It's been very low on the list of priorities for people in country like Belgium, they might have been nominally pro-Irsael, but without caring particularly much. Now that Israel has been genociding for a year, except for those first two almost every Western state is largely pro-Palestine.

Unless you're purely talking about governments instead of the populace, but that makes no sense in this context of talking about social media.

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6. nicbou ◴[26 May 25 13:18 UTC] No.44097179{3}[source]▶
I meant governments, not people. On the ground in Berlin, Germany definitely isn't pro-Israel.
7. sebastos ◴[26 May 25 14:08 UTC] No.44097556[source]▶
What happened “as soon as the attack happened” was you had Hamas apologists pre-emotively criticizing Israel BEFORE there was even time for any response to have happened. A moral absurdity.

“Palestinians didn’t kill as many babies or do as many rapes as people say they did” does not cut as deep as you seem to think it does. The Oct 7th atrocities were atrocities, in the fullest sense of that word.

8. _DeadFred_ ◴[26 May 25 17:02 UTC] No.44099254[source]▶
Yeah, friggen Hamas publishing their videos of themselves kidnapping 6 year old girls (that one still haunts me), or videos of themselves parading around young dead womens almost nude bodies and spitting on her. Pure fake propaganda, the videos Hamas published of themselves that the world saw that very day.
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10. Duwensatzaj ◴[06 Jun 25 16:36 UTC] No.44202579{3}[source]▶
Sorry, I don't have Gell-Mann amnesia - Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source on controversial claims like this based on the outright lies I've seen on things I know.