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owenversteeg ◴[] No.44077762[source]
Like other people here, I have my quibbles with the exact math. But the general premise is true: yes, you can live in rural poverty for cheap. The problem is the vibes. A hundred years ago, you would have a community, a place in society, and all of your family and friends nearby. In 2025, the only actual local job the author of the piece can come up with is at a gas station.

Top ten occupations, 1920: Farmers, farm laborers, clerks, salespeople, servants (bellboys, butlers, cooks), textile workers, machinists, carpenters, and teachers. All of those jobs, even the less respected ones, had infinitely more societal respect than the common jobs hiring in rural America today - such as stocking shelves at Walmart or working at a gas station. You could be a simple farm laborer and have a wife and kids and a place in society. Today, though, a young man working at a Walmart or a gas station will struggle to attract a stable partner or the respect of the world around him.

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testing22321 ◴[] No.44081183[source]
> a young man working at a Walmart or a gas station will struggle to attract a stable partner or the respect of the world around him.

From personal experience I can tell you confidently you are wrong.

The part you are missing is you only need to work 10-20 hours a week MAX. That means you have an enormous Amount of leisure time to do what you want with your life. Trust me when I say plenty of young women love the idea of not working a lot and instead having wilderness adventures.

Want to see it for yourself? Go spend a summer in the Yukon. If you love it, stay the winter. It’s nothing short of epic.

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dangus ◴[] No.44083774[source]
Wilderness adventures will be the only option within your budget.
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aziaziazi ◴[] No.44084051[source]
Lest's say you are serious and it's only a lack of imagination [edit: or taste obviously but as the article author points out: it's only on you to choose what you like]:

- learn music instruments, perhaps join a local band or share samples on the net with enthusiasts

- draw, paint, sculpt, all of which has many options of techniques and cheap materials. As with music, the only limit is yourself and the the expense of your instrument but you don't need to use expensive techniques to enjoy

- make a year-round vegetable garden, thats' often time consuming and you won't need much terrain

- read tons of books, learn philosophie, math, history, whatever makes you find interesting. And in 2025 there's the option to read blogs for those that feels like it. watch movies, listen podcasts.

- cook whatever you eat, get creative and share the food with your neighbor or the receipt with the internet users

- do more sport. 1.5h/day practice of yoga, tai chi, swim or whatever will influence the rest of your day

- participate in local NGO or crate the one you want to, from homeless shelter to business and startups free guidance, animals caring and astronomy enthusiasts.

- to support your cheap live, learn to like the chores: hand wash your dishes and clothes. Sounds super boring, but how boring is an Amazon warehouse job ? I'd choose the dishwashing+podcast.

- use the bus or walk or bike to the wilderness, you got time. You don't need to get to the super-far-and-wild spot to enjoy the nature anyway.

- in the wilderness you can: walk, run, off-road exploration, climb trees (yes, that's still a hobby), listen and learn to recognize birds, mushrooms (beware), plants, insects, draw (that you can do anywhere), get aromates for cooking or leaves for tea, sleep in a tent, collect fossils and minerals. Become a local guide.

- get a cheap computer and play (not that) old games. Bonus if you live somewhere where internet is cheap, try some MMORPG (ok not too long to stay sane). Here in France unlimited 1Gb connection is 25€/month.

- learn to knit, wave, sew. Some people find those fun, and make extra money on local handmade shops.

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dangus ◴[] No.44084974[source]
Dude at least 80% of these activities you listed cost a significant amount of money.

Musical instruments are the opposite of cheap, knitting materials and art materials (even the cheap stuff) costs money, you can’t legally form a NPO for free and you won’t be able to volunteer very well if you can only physically travel to the center of town on rural public transit or bicycle your way around a wide rural area.

The kind of biking and hiking at the amount of distance and time we are talking about isn’t free either, a decent bicycle that can do heavy mileage will cost money to buy and maintain. Plus all these sports will cause you to burn more calories necessitating more expenditures.

(Also have fun riding a bicycle everywhere on country roads with two narrow lanes and 55mph speed limits)

Cooking creatively for a group isn’t really a part of a $300 survival meal planning budget, and it’ll get pretty boring without some of the kitchen equipment that helps with that hobby.

In addition to that a lot of stuff that is cheap was not actually budgeted by the author of the article. In his example there’s no home internet or water budget, so even washing clothes or playing a game online isn’t in the budget.

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sarchertech ◴[] No.44085320[source]
> Musical instruments are the opposite of cheap

You can get a OK used guitar for $300 that will last for years. That’s a few extra shifts at the gas station.

> Cooking creatively for a group isn’t really a part of a $300 survival meal planning budget, and it’ll get pretty boring without some of the kitchen equipment that helps with that hobby.

If you have your own garden, you can do a lot of creative cooking cheaply.

You don’t need a ton of kitchen equipment to enjoy cooking, and if you spend time searching for deals at thrift stores, yard sales, or on Facebook marketplace, you can get pretty much anything you need for almost nothing.

>no home internet or ware budget

Just add $1000 a year to the budget and make it $6k a year instead of 5. Adding in a few extra conveniences doesn’t materially change the author’s thesis.

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