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silisili ◴[] No.44076522[source]
Higher income employees would pay way more than that in taxes alone. This is why properties in low and no income tax states skyrocketed.

Assuming it's not high income but a real scrounger, this is leaving out way too much. Out of pocket health insurance will easily quadruple that number. Utilities could too, depending.

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1. K0balt ◴[] No.44076608[source]
Out of pocket health insurance 1400 a month? Really? It that’s true, that is criminally ridiculous. Why do people accept that, when even in developing nations basic health care is free, and there are plenty of private choices. Decent health insurance costs about 150-300 a month the world over, except in the USA where it is ten times that for no reason whatsoever besides greed and the fact that healthcare is a basic need that puts people under duress. Get your shit together , Americans, you’re getting piped over a barrel six ways to Sunday and you just take it like it was mandatory. What gives?
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2. returningfory2 ◴[] No.44076704[source]
The main reason is that the government isn't funding it, like in other countries. I do agree the healthcare system in the US should be reformed. But the cost isn't going to go all away - it's just going to be shifted to higher taxes. Which is fine.
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3. silisili ◴[] No.44076974[source]
I don't know what a healthy young person pays these days. 20 years ago I paid 80/mo for basic catastrophe coverage.

All I know is that it's gone up tremendously since then, and my family plan costs about $2100 a month.

4. wredcoll ◴[] No.44077427[source]
Because fox news has convinced people they deserve it is about 90% of it.
5. K0balt ◴[] No.44083237[source]
Sure, but I’m having a hard time understanding how developing nations the world over can afford to do this, but the USA cannot lol. I’ve used the healthcare systems in many developing nations, and while it’s not really fun, it is adequate and free for 80 percent of the issues that a person encounters.

For the other 20 percent, it’s best to go to a private clinic, where the care is as good if not better than many US clinics but at 10-20 percent of the cost.

And the private clinics are not subsidized.

My wife just got an MRI at a private, fully for profit imaging clinic. The total cost was $217 USD for a study with and without contrast on a 2023 Siemens scanner. Labs for the contrast approval were $6.

What people pay in the USA is in no way justified by equipment or facility costs. Runaway liability and profiteering, perhaps. But not because of the “quality” of the healthcare or the equipment.

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6. insane_dreamer ◴[] No.44083728[source]
The actual cost of health care in the US is considerably higher than any other developed country.
7. returningfory2 ◴[] No.44083797{3}[source]
I think there's a bunch of different things going on in the US healthcare system. I think for sure part of it is inefficiency.

But I don't really buy the argument that healthcare quality is the same elsewhere. Like, do you really think you're going to get the same care for, say, long term multiple sclerosis in the United States versus Guatemala? I feel a lot of the "the care is the same" comes from younger people who have had relatively easy interactions with the healthcare system. When you're over 70 it's a totally different ball game.

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8. aianus ◴[] No.44085954[source]
That's like asking why would anyone buy a Mercedes when they can take the bus for $2.

US healthcare is extremely high quality and timely if you can pay for it unlike the crap "free" Canadian "healthcare" I used to have with 12 month wait times for procedures and 50%+ marginal tax rates.

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9. K0balt ◴[] No.44093376{4}[source]
You can absolutely get the same standard of care for common things, but you might not get it for free. Where the standard of care does vary is where there are only a few specialists in the world for your condition.. they probably will be in the USA or Europe.

You have two elements in healthcare , for the most part: expertise, starting with basic medical education, then gained by reading and being exposed to patients, going to conferences and other experiential factors. People are ill, injured, or old everywhere, so this opportunity is well distributed.

Apart from that, you have technology, and people with money pay to have access to it, and people with money are also everywhere, so that too tends to be distributed.

There are also a lot more doctors per person in many developing nations, because education of doctors tends to be highly subsidized in those countries. You get a lot more of a doctors time and focused attention with your consult.

It’s when things are rare that it can be harder, but even then, sometimes the leading specialists start out off the beaten path.

10. K0balt ◴[] No.44096201[source]
>That's like asking why would anyone buy a Mercedes when they can take the bus for $2

no, its more like, what if you lived in a country where you were forced to buy a mercedes or die of starvation, regardless of your socioeconomic status.

I dont doubt that Canadian healthcare is deeply broken, considering its close proximity to the US system, leading to extreme pressure from perverse incentives.

I have spent the last two decades living in developing nations in Latin America, and I can say I have been very pleasantly surprised.

Where I am right now, The public systems cover 80 percent of what people need at no cost with government hospitals and clinics. Any community >200 people will have a clinic, and any reasonable town of a few thousand will have a hospital. There are government Pharmacies that distribute most common medications for roughly 25% of the standard (very low) pharmacy price.

Alongside this is a thriving system of private pharmacies and "clinics" Often, these are fully equipped hospitals, with trauma centers, cardiac units, the works.

One of the nearby ones, for example, consists of seven towers and many other buildings over several city blocks and includes hundreds of specialist practices, three separate hospitals, two imaging centers, etc. All fully for profit and privately held.

The cost at the clinics is typically about 10% - 20% of US cost, and includes the use of new, state of the art equipment from Siemens, GE Medical, etc.

Very good health insurance coverage for me, a 60 year old man, runs a little under $100usd a month, and covers 90-100 percent, including a reasonable allowance for vision and dental.

This is not a wealthy country, and the general tax rate paid by most people is a 20% sales tax on non-essential items, roughly 20% import tax on luxury goods and personal vehicles, a fairly high fuel tax for road use. There are other taxes for top 1% earners and corporate taxes, but they are not onerous.

The public and private system is thriving, and is becoming a hotspot for healthcare tourism for the USA and Canada.

Naked Greed is not the only way forward, and private / public hybrid systems can thrive side by side.

Its worth mentioning that the government provided insurance, typically extended mostly to mothers and children, is also pretty good, covering 100 percent, but each usage requires an approval process that may take several days. Anything else, you go to the hospital where they will provide primary care / stabilization if it is a complex situation requiring ongoing care.

On the government side, there is a clear priority towards care that can result in good outcomes. Pallitive care and diseases that inevitably result in near-term death are deprioritised under the public systems, and private insurance or families pick up the tab on those kinds of things.