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Java at 30: Interview with James Gosling

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253 points chhum | 5 comments | 16 May 25 13:05 UTC | HN request time: 0.675s | source
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nelup20 ◴[16 May 25 21:01 UTC] No.44009800[source]▶
I personally appreciate Java (and the JVM) much more after having tried other languages/ecosystems that people kept saying were so much better than Java. Instead, I just felt like it was a "the grass is greener" every time. The only other language that I felt was an actual massive improvement is Rust (which so far has been a joy to work with).

It's a shame imo that it's not seen as a "cool" option for startups, because at this point, the productivity gap compared to other languages is small, if nonexistent.

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kllrnohj ◴[16 May 25 22:21 UTC] No.44010282[source]▶
Personally I think C# is miles ahead of Java and in meaningful ways (like a drastically better implementation of generics, not to mention value types have existed for eons at this point and an FFI system that doesn't hate you for using it)

But nobody seems to talk about or care about C# except for Unity. Microsoft really missed the boat on getting mindshare for it back in the day.

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1. wokkel ◴[16 May 25 23:50 UTC] No.44010825[source]▶
It barely works on non MS platforms,has had many slightly incompatible versions so it's a non starter for many projects where I run into that might benefit from c#. I spoke to a manager recently who had invested in silverlight in the past. Based on that alone it was a no MS policy for his development teams.
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2. runjake ◴[17 May 25 00:30 UTC] No.44011050[source]▶
AFIACT, either most or at least a significant percentage of dotnet code runs on Linux, depending on the industry.
3. neonsunset ◴[17 May 25 00:49 UTC] No.44011156[source]▶
Quite a few languages "loved" by "Linux communities" tend to have rather rudimentary integration with Linux kernel's facilities or worse packaging story.

For example, Go does not understand cgroups limits and needs an external package to solve this. .NET can read and accommodate those natively. It also ships with excellent epoll-based socket engine implementation. It's on par with Go (although I'm not sure which one is better, but .NET performs really well on high-throughput workloads).

4. tester756 ◴[17 May 25 16:49 UTC] No.44015516[source]▶
>It barely works on non MS platforms

What a bullshit

I've been running C# on Linux on production web apps backends since 2018 and had no issues

5. blandflakes ◴[29 May 25 03:02 UTC] No.44122725[source]▶
We've been running .NET on linux for years, what are you talking about?