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1. chuckadams ◴[] No.44006767[source]
I just can't get me enough of Raymond Chen and his wonderful walks down the dustier paths of memory lane. Feels like a more innocent time where I didn't feel like I was imminently going to be turned into paperclips.
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2. avidiax ◴[] No.44007294[source]
Yeah, the sense at that time was that you master the machine. Now, increasingly, the machines will master you if you aren't careful. Of course, the machines haven't really done anything to us. They've just been locked down and remotely controlled to deliver ads and misinformation.
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3. slipnslider ◴[] No.44007651[source]
I love his posts. Read every one of them.
4. deadbabe ◴[] No.44008004[source]
The greatest trick machines ever pulled was making us believe they haven’t done anything to us.
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5. EvanAnderson ◴[] No.44008269[source]
> ...you master the machine. Now, increasingly, the machines will master you...

Today I bump into limitations of machines that were put there by manufacturers who are trying to assert ownership of the device after the purchase. In the "before times" limitations were either a fact of the hardware (i.e. you only have so much RAM, storage, CPU cycles, etc) or of your own ability (you don't know how to crack the protection, defeat the anti-debug tricks, etc). Today you're waging a nearly unwinnable battle against architectures of control baked-in to the hardware at a level below a level that the average end user has any hope of usurping.

The machine isn't trying to master me. The people who made the machine are. I wish people in the tech industry wouldn't be party to taking away computing freedom. It pays well, though, and they can console themselves with "It's not a computer, it's a phone"-type delusions (at least until the day "the man" comes for their PCs).

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6. JadeNB ◴[] No.44008752{3}[source]
> Today I bump into limitations of machines that were put there by manufacturers who are trying to assert ownership of the device after the purchase. In the "before times" limitations were either a fact of the hardware (i.e. you only have so much RAM, storage, CPU cycles, etc) or of your own ability (you don't know how to crack the protection, defeat the anti-debug tricks, etc). Today you're waging a nearly unwinnable battle against architectures of control baked-in to the hardware at a level below a level that the average end user has any hope of usurping.

Even in the "before times" we had such limitations: the 486 was shipped as a cheaper version with a functional but disabled math coprocessor. There are meaningful differences in practical terms, but I definitely see it as a clear predecessor of this behavior.

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7. JadeNB ◴[] No.44008769{3}[source]
> The greatest trick machines ever pulled was making us believe they haven’t done anything to us.

While "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is a cliché, I think there's still considerable meaning behind it, and I'd say the same holds in the "machines don't do anything to people" sense. Sure, a lot of decision-making and faceless authority is outsourced to machines, but it's still people who are doing that outsourcing, and if those people stopped deciding to put so much weight on the output of (intentionally and unintentionally) black-boxed algorithms then that power of the machines would vanish instantly.

8. readthenotes1 ◴[] No.44008820{3}[source]
Before the before times, there are claims that IBM os360 would be delivered purposely handicapped until you paid the extra fees for the upgrade
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9. grishka ◴[] No.44009088{3}[source]
Our civilization desperately needs a way to modify modern microelectronics at home or at least in a well-equipped repair shop.

Regular people being able to commit contempt of companies' business models en masse seems to work well to keep them in check, but it's becoming ever harder with so much of everything becoming mobile-centric. And with all smartphones being locked down at the level of someone else's public keys being burned into the SoC at the factory, you can't do shit. They literally have technological supremacy over the rest of the humanity. And we're somehow okay with that.

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10. grishka ◴[] No.44009157{4}[source]
That's different. Lithography masks are expensive. It's cheaper to make them once and use them for different models of the same chip than to make a separate set for each model. My understanding is that in this particular case they would sell the FPU-less version below the cost and the full one with some markup.

In modern times they also do this because the process of semiconductor manufacturing is imperfect and sometimes some parts of the chip would come out damaged. IIRC this happens with GPUs a lot so they tend to have spare cores.

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11. Terr_ ◴[] No.44009367{3}[source]
"The first thing we do, is we kill all the law--" Er, I mean abolish the DMCA.

Picking a lock on a device you own shouldn't be a federal crime.

12. EvanAnderson ◴[] No.44009685{4}[source]
Binning products into segments is different than blowing e-fuses. When I bought a 486SX I got a 486SX. It remained forever what it was when I bought it.

In a hypothetical scenario where I somehow "unlocked" the FPU functionality Intel couldn't push out a mandatory firmware upgrade to blow an e-fuse in my chip, fixing the "vulnerability" that allowed me to access the FPU and simultaneously preventing me from ever loading "vulnerable" firmware again (like, say, the Nintendo Switch).

13. EvanAnderson ◴[] No.44009723{4}[source]
> Our civilization desperately needs a way to modify modern microelectronics at home or at least in a well-equipped repair shop.

I'll take consumer protection regulation, at least in the short term.

I wish manufacturers were required to clearly inform consumers which products are sold versus rented, self-hostable versus tied to hosted services, or crippled from running Free software by firmware locks. That would allow a market for freedom-respecting products to actually develop to a reasonable size, and not just to be a fringe thing.

14. yongjik ◴[] No.44009748[source]
That's just past with its rose-tinted glasses. It was easy for someone to master the machine when that someone was a university researcher or a lone gamer, the most precious resource stored in the machine was saved term projects, and either it was not connected to anything else, or connected to fellow university researchers.

The stake was low, because nobody could use your computer to drain your bank account. And someone who would "prank" your computer beyond the social norm would get a stern talking to.

Computers these days have to support your grandma making hotel reservations online without her entire financial information being sent to hackers in Eastern Europe. They're doing jobs that 70s OS designers never thought about. It's a different world.

15. martin-t ◴[] No.44009810{4}[source]
Not just commit contempt, we should punish them.

It used to be the case that people valued freedom and the lack of it was something blatantly apparent.

When somebody was a slave, it was a very explicit interpersonal relationship which was very obviously abusive. Even today, some cultures such as Americans are so ashamed of their slaver past that they censor the word on YouTube.

When somebody worked for a company which compensated him not with money but company script which could only be exchanged for goods in company stores, it obviously created a relationship of unequal power which over time put the weaker side at an even bigger and bigger disadvantage. People were able to see and understand this and it was outlawed.

But these days, the power dynamics are so complex and have so many steps and intermediaries, people don't even know what is being taken away from them. It's a salami slicing attack too. There are minor outrages here and there but nothing even changes, two steps forward, one step back to appease them.

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Bottom line: if a company claims it "sells" you something, the precedent is you own it fully. If you don't, that's theft. Theft, even multi step theft, should be punished in full. That means the company should pay a fine according to how much money they made from their abuse of power, multiplied by a punitive constant.

Additionally, all people involved in the decision making process should also be punished according to how much they stole.

16. fredoralive ◴[] No.44009902{5}[source]
IIRC later revisions of the 486SX have a unique mask set without the FPU, presumably the higher chips per wafer made up for the extra tooling costs.

Also, as a note, unlike modern chips where they fuse off broken cores and sell them as lower specs[1] as part of the binning process, with the early 486SX the FPU was disabled before any testing / binning, so they weren’t selling broken DX dice as SXs.

[1] Or in some cases, fusing if working silicon if the supply / demand curve works that way, see the infamous 3 core AMD Phenom.

17. bigfatkitten ◴[] No.44010501{3}[source]
> In the "before times" limitations were either a fact of the hardware (i.e. you only have so much RAM, storage, CPU cycles, etc) or of your own ability (you don't know how to crack the protection, defeat the anti-debug tricks, etc).

Not if you’re a mainframe customer. Capacity based licensing has been a standard practice in the mainframe world for around 50 years.

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18. layer8 ◴[] No.44010708[source]
It’s probably partially an illusion, but while everything wasn’t fine back then, it seemed that there was at least a vision of a positive self-determined computing future that could be achieved and that we were roughly on-track on. Nowadays it feels more of a fight to keep things not getting worse, most of the time.
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19. bombcar ◴[] No.44010794[source]
Computers were so new for most people that they weren't really yet on the "critical path".

And when you got them working, they saved so much time that you had extra time laying around.

20. ryoshu ◴[] No.44010841[source]
Building value vs extracting value.
21. 6502nerdface ◴[] No.44011176[source]
James Yeh, Ken Griffin's "first quant" and eventual co-CIO of Citadel, used to say, when annoyed by a junior who was overfitting to the backtest, "I don't let the computer boss me around! I tell the computer what to do!"
22. CWuestefeld ◴[] No.44011249[source]
I agree, but I also think it goes farther than computers and technology. Back then the overall zeitgeist was just a whole lot more positive. These days people are all about one-upping on the dark grittiness of music, movies, etc. But back then things were more upbeat. Yeah, we were worried about the cold war and nuclear armageddon, etc. But we still felt hopeful that we were working toward something better. I miss that.
23. EvanAnderson ◴[] No.44011284{4}[source]
Part of the magic of the personal computing revolution was breaking away from these shackles.
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24. FireBeyond ◴[] No.44011316{4}[source]
They did ship hardware and software that wasn’t fully enabled. But your post implies there was some deception or extortion. System owners were well aware of what they paid for, or that they could upgrade and unlock some things. Today in software we just call it IAP.

I’m not saying it is how we -should-. But that IBM wasn’t rug pulling.

25. bigfatkitten ◴[] No.44011359{5}[source]
As a society, we’ve since decided that we actually prefer to rent everything and to have no agency.
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26. EvanAnderson ◴[] No.44011461{6}[source]
I don't think the marketplace does a good job of explaining the difference to people. That might change things. Maybe. Probably not. >sigh<
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27. exikyut ◴[] No.44011592[source]
Zeroing in on this exact sentiment:

> ...that could be achieved and that we were roughly on-track on.

I think there's a strong lateral connection to this quote:

“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:

1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.

2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.

3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”

― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt: Hitchhiking the Galaxy One Last Time

I think this has interesting implications wrt the perception of nostalgia, because nostalgia seems to be able to apply at any age to any event that happened far enough back in time; while the above theoretical model maps roughly to specific ages.

So I wonder what things are actually a partially overlapped Venn diagram of the above maxim and nostalgia.

In this case I think it's possible the idea that we were "roughly on-track on" with certain technologies - the notion of an emergent sense of structure that was certain to unfold - could map to some point in between points (1) and (2) in the maxim above. An objective analyses would instead recognize "success" as the survivorship bias that it is; but we're not objective :) - and I find that endlessly fascinating!

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28. fragmede ◴[] No.44011717{7}[source]
On the other hand, the confusingly named DIVX (not the codec) expiring DVD-esque format (so you could play the DVD for 48 hours after purchase, and then after that you had to pay to watch it again. The format totally failed in the market and brought down Circuit City.

So that suggests it's a user education issue.

29. plastic3169 ◴[] No.44012506[source]
I once met this older gentleman at a wedding and when I asked about his life he said he used to be really into computers but the personal computing revolution made him sour. It turned professional field step by step into junk until there was only amateurs with their toy computers left.
30. anal_reactor ◴[] No.44012692{3}[source]
Dude even kids recognize that TikTok is brainrot.