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    roter ◴[] No.44005946[source]
    There is also the theory that the British just had more practice at gunnery and sailhandling while blockading the French/Spanish in the various ports.
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    IAmBroom ◴[] No.44006168[source]
    Which leads to the theory of why the USS Constitution was so superior to British ships.

    The Americans drilled daily with live cannon, while the British drilled less often, and without live fire (presumably to conserve powder and balls).

    As an unsurprising result, American crews were more experienced at reloading under the duress of cannonade. The sound on the gun decks was so great it would burst eardrums. The smoke made it too hard to see anything a few feet from the portals.

    If you've never been near a gunpowder cannon fire, it's hard to comprehend the surreal rupture of reality it causes in your perception. I was to the side, but in front, of one. My world went black, then lightening values of gray. Sound returned. Then people appeared in the fog, moving with their arms out trying to get away blindly from the threat they perceived (that was already over).

    Without proper training, new sailors will stumble badly in their first firefight, and each man on the gundeck is crucial to a team. The officers were outside the deck, so they could receive orders. If you can't load your cannon while blind and deaf, your cannon sits quiet a long time.

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    1. sklargh ◴[] No.44006324[source]
    My first time hearing 5.56 fire when I incidentally had ear pro off was shocking. Cannot imagine what a gun deck was like in the age of sail.
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    2. alabastervlog ◴[] No.44006484[source]
    Gunfire is insanely loud. Even a little .22 is louder than the apparent volume of heavier rounds in most film and TV. It's one of those things people can have entirely the wrong idea about if their only exposure to it is media. You see things like people firing rifles from inside a car and it's like... nobody in that car should be able to hear a damn thing for a full minute, and with repeated fire their ears might ring badly through the next day.

    Archer kinda gets this more-right than most things, LOL. "MAWP! MAWP!"

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    3. bee_rider ◴[] No.44007614[source]
    Comedies often are more accurate because dumb things are allowed to happen and real life doesn’t follow the rule-of-cool. See also, Monty Python Holy Grail, and Veep.
    4. lowbloodsugar ◴[] No.44008560[source]
    Dude was using a shotgun in an indoor range next to me and the air pressure was so bad I had to move. Pressure against my whole body.
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    5. ggreer ◴[] No.44008586[source]
    I've noticed that even with good hearing protection (foamies + earmuffs), being next to loud guns (like .50BMG outdoors or most rifle calibers indoors) disorients me and causes me to feel a little strange for hours afterwards. I think that anyone who spends a lot of time near such explosions risks brain injury.

    I'm pretty sure the effect comes from the sound and not something like toxic gasses because I never get the feeling shooting smaller calibers, nor do I get it when shooting with a silencer. It's too bad silencers are so restricted in the US. I think a lot of shooters would be in better health if they were more common.

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    6. fatbird ◴[] No.44008756[source]
    In the army I had the opportunity to fire the Carl Gustaf 84mm recoilless rifle, which is normally a two person job (one to hold, aim and fire, the other to load and check the backblast area).

    We're instructed to exhale before firing because the concussion of the round leaving the front while its propellent leaves the back of the tube creates a brief vacuum. If you don't exhale, the air is forced out of your lungs so violently you feel like you got punched in the chest.

    The noise is undoubtedly part of it, but the atmospheric effect is not insignificant, I think.

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    7. bee_rider ◴[] No.44009371[source]
    Seems rude.

    Is it typical to use a shotgun in an indoor range? I thought shotguns were for killing clay pigeons.

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    8. jvanderbot ◴[] No.44009430[source]
    Local range only allows shotguns for 1 w/y (to sight in hunting sabots). That's why. Those things are big.

    But even a .270 /30-06 puts out a lot more noise than you think it will. You jump right out of your skin the first shot.

    9. inetknght ◴[] No.44009704[source]
    > Gunfire is insanely loud. Even a little .22 is louder than the apparent volume of heavier rounds in most film and TV. It's one of those things people can have entirely the wrong idea about if their only exposure to it is media.

    Part of that is because the sound volume is just so drastically different compared to normally talking; microphones have trouble with it, audio amplifiers end up clipping [0], and most speakers would blow out if the amp didn't clip (especially for the larger guns). And, assuming none of that happened then, just as you would have on a gun deck, your listeners' ears would be damaged. So the sound of gunfire in media is quieted.

    Most people simply aren't around guns in the first place, let alone firing guns (eg, going to a gun range with friends/family/etc even if you don't own a gun), to understand just how much media misrepresents it.

    [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_(audio)

    10. bluGill ◴[] No.44009772{3}[source]
    There are indoor clay pigeon ranges. Though I'm guessing it was a shotgun shooting a slug which acts like any other gun (as opposed to shot which spreads and so wouldn't be useful at most ranges since you would hit your neighbor's target as well)
    11. potato3732842 ◴[] No.44010065{3}[source]
    >The noise is undoubtedly part of it, but the atmospheric effect is not insignificant, I think.

    Yeah that's exactly why indoor ranges kind of suck for any serious rifle caliber.

    12. potato3732842 ◴[] No.44010092{3}[source]
    First off, most indoor ranges don't allow shotgun target loads and slugs are $$$ so people don't typically shoot them indoors.

    It's not explicitly rude but depending on the exact circumstances it's kind of pushing it to shoot 12ga and full power rifle rounds at indoor recreational ranges. Like don't do it on Saturday morning when it's busy and everyone is their with their wife or kids or whatever. Anything with enough concussion to be obnoxious to other shooters is sus.

    13. refurb ◴[] No.44011651[source]
    Indeed.

    Even firing a large calibre rifle with hearing protection is something you need to get use to. Not only the noise, but the pressure wave and recoil feels like someone just punched you.