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libraryofbabel ◴[] No.43999072[source]
Strongly recommend this blog post too which is a much more detailed and persuasive version of the same point. The author actually goes and builds a coding agent from zero: https://ampcode.com/how-to-build-an-agent

It is indeed astonishing how well a loop with an LLM that can call tools works for all kinds of tasks now. Yes, sometimes they go off the rails, there is the problem of getting that last 10% of reliability, etc. etc., but if you're not at least a little bit amazed then I urge you go to and hack together something like this yourself, which will take you about 30 minutes. It's possible to have a sense of wonder about these things without giving up your healthy skepticism of whether AI is actually going to be effective for this or that use case.

This "unreasonable effectiveness" of putting the LLM in a loop also accounts for the enormous proliferation of coding agents out there now: Claude Code, Windsurf, Cursor, Cline, Copilot, Aider, Codex... and a ton of also-rans; as one HN poster put it the other day, it seems like everyone and their mother is writing one. The reason is that there is no secret sauce and 95% of the magic is in the LLM itself and how it's been fine-tuned to do tool calls. One of the lead developers of Claude Code candidly admits this in a recent interview.[0] Of course, a ton of work goes into making these tools work well, but ultimately they all have the same simple core.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDmW5hJPsvQ

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1. xnx ◴[] No.44005134[source]
> The reason is that there is no secret sauce and 95% of the magic is in the LLM itself

Makes that "$3 billion" valuation for Windsurf very suspect

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2. rrrx3 ◴[] No.44005314[source]
Indeed. But keep in mind they weren't just buying the tooling - they get the team, the brand, and the positional authority as well. OpenAI could have spun up a team to build an agent code IDE, and they would have been starting on the back foot with users, would have been compared to Cursor/Windsurf...

The price tag is hefty but I figure it'll work out for them on the backside because they won't have to fight so hard to capture TAM.

3. TonyEx ◴[] No.44005505[source]
The value in the windsurf acquisition isn't the code they've written, it's the ability to see what people are coding and use that information to build better LLMs. -- Product development.