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kgeist ◴[] No.43998994[source]
Today I tried "vibe-coding" for the first time using GPT-4o and 4.1. I did it manually - just feeding compilation errors, warnings, and suggestions in a loop via the canvas interface. The file was small, around 150 lines.

It didn't go well. I started with 4o:

- It used a deprecated package.

- After I pointed that out, it didn't update all usages - so I had to fix them manually.

- When I suggested a small logic change, it completely broke the syntax (we're talking "foo() } return )))" kind of broken) and never recovered. I gave it the raw compilation errors over and over again, but it didn't even register the syntax was off - just rewrote random parts of the code instead.

- Then I thought, "maybe 4.1 will be better at coding" (as advertized). But 4.1 refused to use the canvas at all. It just explained what I could change - as in, you go make the edits.

- After some pushing, I got it to use the canvas and return the full code. Except it didn't - it gave me a truncated version of the code with comments like "// omitted for brevity".

That's when I gave up.

Do agents somehow fix this? Because as it stands, the experience feels completely broken. I can't imagine giving this access to bash, sounds way too dangerous.

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ebiester ◴[] No.43999373[source]
I get that it's frustrating to be told "skill issue," but using an LLM is absolutely a skill and there's a combination of understanding the strengths of various tools, experimenting with them to understand the techniques, and just pure practice.

I think if I were giving access to bash, though, it would definitely be in a docker container for me as well.

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wtetzner ◴[] No.44000420[source]
Sure, you can probably get better at it, but is it really worth the effort over just getting better at programming?
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cheema33 ◴[] No.44000733[source]
If you are going to race a fighter jet, and you are on a bicycle, exercising more and eating right will not help. You have to use a better tool.

A good programmer with AI tools will run circles around a good programmer without AI tools.

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candiddevmike ◴[] No.44000916[source]
What does that even mean? How do you even quantify that?
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1. HDThoreaun ◴[] No.44004820[source]
My teams velocity before and after adding AI coding to our stack