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RhysU ◴[] No.43985805[source]
Congestion isn't limited to cars.

My pregnant wife was hit yesterday in SoHo in broad daylight by a delivery driver on an e-bike. He ran a redlight. He hit her in a crosswalk. She was wearing a bright orange dress. She was not on a phone or listening to music. She went flying ass over teakettle. We spent 6 hours in the ER yesterday evening to make sure our unborn baby was okay. Fortunately, everyone is OK despite her being banged up.

The goddamn lawlessness of electric bikes is a consequence of NYC implicitly encouraging their illegal use. Meanwhile, I get to pay $9 MORE to drive my licensed, registered, insured vehicle on increasingly narrow roads filled with increasingly negligent 2-wheeled asshats because it's the preferred business model.

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jcranmer ◴[] No.43989602[source]
Were that delivery driver using a car instead of a bike, then your wife would likely be dead instead of in the ER.

(At least in the US, having a driver's license is in no way, shape, or form an indication that the driver is capable of driving correctly, much less their willingness to do so.)

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kortilla ◴[] No.43990964[source]
Car drivers are very routinely punished for running red lights. That is far less common than cyclists doing it.
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sebstefan ◴[] No.43993686[source]
"Cyclists Break Far Fewer Road Rules Than Motorists, Finds New Video Study" (https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/05/10/cyclists...)

Perhaps if there is a no bikelanes and cyclists are bothering you on the sidewalk you should walk in the middle of the road, as the real danger is bikes, right?

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FergusArgyll ◴[] No.43993943{3}[source]
> Most content on Forbes.com is written by contributors or "Senior Contributors" with minimal editorial oversight, and is generally unreliable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...

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sebstefan ◴[] No.43994328{4}[source]
They're just quoting a danish government report

Googling it, I found a second one in London with the same methods (surveying CCTV footage of multiple intersections) and they get the same findings

In both:

- Motorists break way more traffic laws

- Motorists mainly break the law for speed or convenience

- The infractions by motorists are generally more serious and pose a threat to others (the main one is speeding)

- The main one cyclists break is riding on the sidewalk - which is because of cars, and it doesn't happen when there is a bike lane

- The second one is turning right on red without causing inconvenience to other road users

https://content.tfl.gov.uk/traffic-note-8-cycling-red-lights...

For the danish government report unfortunately they moved it and I can't find it anymore

http://api.vejdirektoratet.dk/sites/default/files/2019-05/Cy...

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RhysU ◴[] No.43996494{5}[source]
> the main one is speeding

Speeding mildly is usually a consequence of stupidly low speed limits. Unless the speeding is bucketed, this alone is enough to skew the results to say motorists are worse than bicyclists. Remember, speeding tickets are a revenue source and the incentive is to set limits that produce revenue.

> The main one cyclists break is riding on the sidewalk - which is because of cars, and it doesn't happen when there is a bike lane

This is still illegal. Blaming it on cars is lame-- these are grown adults willfully ignoring the law because they find it inconvenient.

A motorcycle likewise can ride on the sidewalk to avoid car congestion but it doesn't because it's illegal and we would hold the driver accountable. Bikes, not so much.

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1. thunderfork ◴[] No.43997508{6}[source]
> Speeding mildly is usually a consequence of stupidly low speed limits.

This is still illegal. Blaming it on what you feel the speed limits "should" be is lame - these are grown adults willfully ignoring the law because they find it inconvenient.

...okay, okay, that's a bit too forum-argument, but hopefully it demonstrates the contradiction here.

Further, I'd argue that, while speeding is universally a response to perceived inconvenience, sidewalk cycling can sometimes be a response to perceived safety problems, not just inconvenience.

Obviously it's still illegal and unsafe for pedestrians, but I think handwaving car-based lawbreakers and assuming their violations are justified, while also assuming the least generous intentions for cyclists... just hammers home the initial claim: people perceive car lawbreakering as forgivable when it's common and rare when it's worse, and cyclist lawbreaking as both egregious and universal, because they emphasize more with drivers than cyclists.