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Changes since congestion pricing started in New York

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437 points Vinnl | 1 comments | 13 May 25 10:43 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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philipallstar ◴[14 May 25 14:36 UTC] No.43985073[source]▶
The increased speeds are excellent for those who can afford the toll. This is a universal benefit of toll roads for those people.
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ramesh31 ◴[14 May 25 14:59 UTC] No.43985330[source]▶
>The increased speeds are excellent for those who can afford the toll. This is a universal benefit of toll roads for those people.

Anecdotally that seems to be the case. The largest burden of this tax is falling on low income commuters who live off the train lines and have to drive into Manhattan, yet all of the money is going to... the train lines (MTA). Understandably they're not too happy.

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paddy_m ◴[14 May 25 21:15 UTC] No.43989308[source]▶
Those people simply don't drive into Manhattan, parking is already $30-$40 a day, driving from Jersey means you are already paying at least a $15 toll (you can drive from Brooklyn, Queens, and the Bronx without paying a toll). An extra $9 simply doesn't matter.

Already 85% of commuters to lower Manhattan take public transit. Of the remaining 15%. An analysis found that only 2% of working poor New Yorkers would pay the charge. Otherwise low income New Yorkers would overwhelmingly benefit from the better transit funding

https://www.nrdc.org/bio/eric-goldstein/busting-myths-new-yo...

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ramesh31 ◴[15 May 25 15:46 UTC] No.43996252[source]▶
Again, anecdotally. This point came from a bartender in the east village, who has indeed driven into the city every day for years. Longtime locals who know where to park are not paying $30-40 (in fact that is at the high end of anywhere I've seen in Manhattan).
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1. chimeracoder ◴[15 May 25 16:24 UTC] No.43996608[source]▶
> Again, anecdotally. This point came from a bartender in the east village, who has indeed driven into the city every day for years.

To be clear: you're basing your understanding of the effects of public policy from an offhand conversation with a person who has no reason to know any of the actual details of the policy, and who has a vested personal stake in the matter, rather than on any of the many numerous objective sources of data, whether that be the 4000 page report that was issued last year before the policy took effect, or any of the many studies and analyses that have come out since?

Yes, I'm sure that some bartender told you that he is unhappy with it. But that doesn't mean that anything he's saying is based in reality. Congestion pricing opponents have routinely repeated talking points that are verifiably counterfactual or even nonsensical, and it's silly to take them at their word when the objective facts are so readily available.