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1. mcswell ◴[] No.43991069[source]
There was a time when there were no automobiles in New York City, but there was lots of public transportation. (Ok, there were horses and the consequent manure, and the population was way smaller then. But still...)
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2. Lammy ◴[] No.43991846[source]
> there was lots of public transportation

There could have been a lot more. The 1929 IND Second System expansion plan is depressing, especially the parts where provisions are already built:

- https://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2021/01/ind-second-...

- https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/IND_Second_System_-_1929_Plan

- https://www.awakennyc.com/second-system-gems

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3. tzs ◴[] No.43992044[source]
Horses caused worse problems than manure. The NYC pedestrian death rate from horse accidents in 1900 was higher than the pedestrian death rate from car accidents in 2003. See this comment [1] for references.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42329211

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4. atoav ◴[] No.43992085[source]
Yeah but back then streets were for people and horses. There were no clear markings separating the sections, there were no laws making it illegal for you to walk on the streets.

If there were traffic laws, nobody knew them and people wouldn't know which way to go to avoid a head on collision.

If you'd just replace cars with horses today it would go a lot different.

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5. pirate787 ◴[] No.43993274[source]
The city's price control on the cost of a subway ride was a spectacular policy failure that crushed the system into decline and operators into bankruptcy.
6. akashshah87 ◴[] No.43995030[source]
The population of Manhattan peaked in the 1910s. Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_New_Yor...
7. Aloisius ◴[] No.43997974{3}[source]
Uh. Sidewalks existed and pedestrians mostly stayed on them for their own safety. Jaywalking wasn't made illegal until the 1950s, well into the car era.

And it wasn't just horses. It was horse-drawn carriages. There wasn't that much difference, traffic wise, between carriages and cars. There were traffic jams, out of control vehicles, drunk drivers, street racers, collisions, etc. all back in the 19th century.

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8. atoav ◴[] No.44012940{4}[source]
Yeah? This is what I meant: https://image.geo.de/30155632/t/17/v5/w1440/r0/-/new-york-19...