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zaptheimpaler ◴[] No.43981102[source]
China is the only modern country that has both the capability and the lack of bureaucracy to just do things like this. It's simultaneously amazing to see and a depressing reminder of how badly western societies are crippled by rules of their own making. It would take years to make a single new bus route in any city, I don't think I've ever even seen that happen.
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1. petesergeant ◴[] No.43981130[source]
> China is the only modern country that has both the capability and the lack of bureaucracy to just do things like this

Habibi, come to the UAE or Qatar

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2. rrr_oh_man ◴[] No.43981172[source]
Excuse my ignorance, but don't UAE/Qatar mostly use it to build malls and vanity projects? That's at least the media stereotype I have.
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3. petesergeant ◴[] No.43981195[source]
There’s no shortage of malls in UAE, but also there’s fantastic infrastructure — great roads, a metro system, a country-wide rail system (open for cargo, opening for passengers soon). As for “vanity projects”, the Palm and both Burj’s are commercial projects that are also highly successful tourist draws. I can see an argument that the Abu Dhabi branches of the Louvre and the Guggenheim could be seen that way, but I think it’s fairer to see them as cultural investments.

I guess I see the unfinished projects as being the proof: The World and the 2nd Palm haven’t been finished because they (I assume) stopped making commercial sense to the developers.

I would finally note that Dubai specifically has little oil and gas wealth. Maybe 1% directly and 10% that comes as subsidy from AD which has plenty. The rest is literally just a combination of smart and commercially savvy governance combined with an essentially unlimited amount of desert to build in.

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4. fakedang ◴[] No.43981260[source]
The Roads and Transport Authority of Dubai is by far the best government authority I have ever interacted with, worldwide.

Once I had an issue with bus routes for my father's employees (similar problem, high density route with fewer routes). I put a request on their dashboard from abroad and within days, their reply came back with them confirming a trio of new buses to cater to that route.

Another time, I had an idea for bus route planning (not related to above, that relied on a simple ping system for bus driver notification). I sent an email describing the idea in short to the Emirati CEO of the bus authority, and within 15 minutes, he acknowledged my email and connected me with his advisor to set up a meeting the next day. The advisor (an Indian with a US PhD in urban transport systems) discussed my idea through over a meeting.

Oh, and there are self-driving bus demos currently happening in Abu Dhabi right now.

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5. rrr_oh_man ◴[] No.43981519{3}[source]
Oh wow, that's pretty mind blowing!!! Thanks for sharing
6. rrr_oh_man ◴[] No.43981527{3}[source]
Thanks for the perspective!
7. mschuster91 ◴[] No.43981826{3}[source]
> Once I had an issue with bus routes for my father's employees (similar problem, high density route with fewer routes). I put a request on their dashboard from abroad and within days, their reply came back with them confirming a trio of new buses to cater to that route.

Well, that's what happens if you can just throw money at problems. In Germany, it would most likely get rejected because there are no spare buses/drivers or budget for the fuel, and even if there was money it would likely be delayed for at least one year because the new route would have to pass through the usual tender/bid system first.

8. HPsquared ◴[] No.43982232{3}[source]
It sounds a bit like Singapore.
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9. pjc50 ◴[] No.43982389[source]
It's amazing what you can do with unlimited oil money and no worker rights, yes.
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11. suddenlybananas ◴[] No.43982393[source]
Lot of slavery involved though.
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12. panick21_ ◴[] No.43982535[source]
Their land use and transportation policies are certainty not first rate. And from what I can observe and read, it seems quite a mix bag, rather then a highly integrated system. Doing totally unnecessary things like building a single monorail, because monorails are cool or something. Rather then an integrated standardized rail system.

And in terms of overall development strategy, its very often very Americanized. Big highways, big highway interchanges. Dubai is known for basically building everything along a very big highway. There is no reason for a country this small to ever have a highway this large.

Given how trivially easy they are geographically their modal share in public transport is not very high at all.

13. pama ◴[] No.43983077{4}[source]
Except Singapore no longer has a large amount of jungle to build on.
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14. grumpy-de-sre ◴[] No.43983125{5}[source]
Very interesting talk about some of the challenges facing Singapore [1].

Does feel like the Singaporean economic miracle is under a lot of pressure. Demographics and retirement savings I guess being a big part of it.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTHDkLqmoVg

15. hshdhdhj4444 ◴[] No.43983359{3}[source]
Yes.

And slaves.

Lots and lots of modern day slaves.

16. stackedinserter ◴[] No.43984337[source]
"Slavery"
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18. umbra07 ◴[] No.43986930{3}[source]
What term would you rather use?
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19. stackedinserter ◴[] No.44009117{4}[source]
Surprise surprise, it's "employment".