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Trasmatta ◴[] No.43971964[source]
Only tangentially related, but I'm always fascinated that mailing lists are still a thing in 2025.
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KolmogorovComp ◴[] No.43972137[source]
My qualm against them is rather different. Why, after so much time, are they still so user-hostile, both in their web appearance and more generally usage?

It's rhetorical of course, it's because their users are completely blind to their pitfalls after decades of use, and it seems that generation-renewal is not a priority.

Discord servers and other contemporary solutions are much worse on the long run, but it does not matter. Software is like startups, long term is not a goal when you are not sure to survive (or in that case, being used and having contributors) next week.

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jzb ◴[] No.43972471[source]
"Discord servers and other contemporary solutions are much worse on the long run, but it does not matter. Software is like startups, long term is not a goal when you are not sure to survive (or in that case, being used and having contributors) next week."

I don't think I've read anything that I disagree with so strongly in a while. "Software is like startups" is about as user and contributor-hostile a concept as they come.

The long term absolutely matters and projects choosing convenience today over long-term thinking are screwing over their future. It's damn near impossible to find information about these projects outside the proprietary silos they've dug themselves into and they will regret the choice one of these days when Discord or whatever proprietary service starts tightening the screws to make money.

I'm not sure what you find hostile about their web appearance. It's a light, clean page with text that doesn't throw tons of JS at you, pop-ups, or a cookie accept/reject/ponder bullshit dialog. It could use a bit of a copy edit / redo and a screenshot (I always complain when a project doesn't have screenshots...), but I don't find it hostile in the least.

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1. mistrial9 ◴[] No.43972541[source]
> The long term absolutely matters and projects choosing convenience today

I would be happy to engage on that thought, but here on this thread there is a lynchmob gathering to declare an emergency to remove all GPL-connected code everywhere, again.. because `screen`