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mattxxx ◴[] No.43962976[source]
Well, firing someone for this is super weird. It seems like an attempt to censor an interpretation of the law that:

1. Criticizes a highly useful technology 2. Matches a potentially-outdated, strict interpretation of copyright law

My opinion: I think using copyrighted data to train models for sure seems classically illegal. Despite that, Humans can read a book, get inspiration, and write a new book and not be litigated against. When I look at the litany of derivative fantasy novels, it's obvious they're not all fully independent works.

Since AI is and will continue to be so useful and transformative, I think we just need to acknowledge that our laws did not accomodate this use-case, then we should change them.

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palmotea[dead post] ◴[] No.43963168[source]
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jobigoud ◴[] No.43963464[source]
We are talking about the rights of the humans training the models and the humans using the models to create new things.

Copyright only comes into play on publication. It's only concerned about publication of the models and publication of works. The machine itself doesn't have agency to publish anything at this point.

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MyOutfitIsVague ◴[] No.43963564[source]
It's not only publication, otherwise people wouldn't be able to be successfully sued for downloading and consuming copyrighted content, it would only be the uploaders who get into trouble.
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1. HappMacDonald ◴[] No.43963945[source]
Do you have any links to cases where people were sued for downloading and consuming content without also uploading (eg, bittorent), hosting, sharing the copyrighted works, etc?
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2. MyOutfitIsVague ◴[] No.43965951[source]
There were the famous napster cases, the kids and old ladies that got sued by the RIAA for using limewire to download some music.

There is also the fact that copyright holders will pressure your ISP into sending threatening letters and shutting off your Internet for piracy, even without you seeding. I haven't gotten the impression that you are in the clear for pirating as long as you don't distribute.

3. lavezzi ◴[] No.43966372[source]
There's tonnes, this is a baffling question.