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glitchc ◴[] No.43962977[source]
The academic funding model was long overdue for a change. As others have pointed out, there was no room in the current model for the curiously ambitious scientists, the ones responsible for ground-breaking discoveries. Rather, the bulk of the funding was being secured by careerists and ideologically driven researchers. It's good if those two groups lose interest, science overall will benefit as a result.

Research is inherently risky. If we don't take risks and tackle the big problems, we cannot make progress as a species.

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ModernMech ◴[] No.43963448[source]
> As others have pointed out, there was no room in the current model for the curiously ambitious scientists, the ones responsible for ground-breaking discoveries.

Who explained this to you? In this thread (I haven't read it all yet)? There's a lot of money in academia for curiously ambitious people just starting their careers so it's an odd thing to say.

And you say "careerist" as if people looking to start a career in research are somehow bad?

I think maybe you have to expand this comment because it's throwing out a lot of negativity without much substance to back it up.

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1. coolsuds420 ◴[] No.43963752[source]
Every genius I met in tech had a story about how they couldn’t get any funding or time to research their own ideas, but had to follow the instructions of some cabal of geezers who control funding in their field.

If you want to look up the age discrimination or age distribution of scientific grants in America. You’ll clearly see that the funding apparatus doesn’t serve early career scientists as well as it did. Accordingly, the government is less valuable and people are correctly perceiving that resources could be better allocated.

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2. ModernMech ◴[] No.43967448[source]
It's true that most grant money goes to go to the largest projects, and the largest projects are run by the most well-connected people with the most established research agendas.

But that doesn't mean there isn't money for new researchers who are challenging the establishment. New faculty are afforded a startup package which these days can be in the millions if the research agenda is solid and ambitious.

For those "tech geniuses" who can't get funding, their proposals usually (IME) go like this:

  Do you have any experience leading a large research project of the scale you're proposing -- I was a research assistant once, does that count?
  Have you ever managed a budget this large? -- I've never seen that much money in my life, no.
  What kind of team are you putting together to accomplish this? -- Doing it all myself
  What are the risks of failure and how will you mitigate them? -- No risks, I've already accounted for them all with my perfect plan.
  Why is your method better than the ones in the literature? -- Those idea are old. My ideas are new and clearly better.
  How will your research benefit society? -- Just read the title again, it's self evident.
  How will your research benefit your community? -- Why do I even have to articulate this??
  What's your long-term funding strategy? -- I figured you'd give me all the money I need, forever.
Funding decision: denied

But when you ask them, they'll tell you: "I wasn't funded because they're a bunch of old geezers who didn't appreciate my genius!"