Ask HN: Cursor or Windsurf?

Neither? I'm surprised nobody has said it yet. I turned off AI autocomplete, and sometimes use the chat to debug or generate simple code but only when I prompt it to. Continuous autocomplete is just annoying and slows me down.

This is the way.

All this IDE churn makes me glad to have settled on Emacs a decade ago. I have adopted LLMs into my workflow via the excellent gptel, which stays out of my way but is there when I need it. I couldn't imagine switching to another editor because of some fancy LLM integration I have no control over. I have tried Cursor and VS Codium with extensions, and wasn't impressed. I'd rather use an "inferior" editor that's going to continue to work exactly how I want 50 years from now.

Emacs and Vim are editors for a lifetime. Very few software projects have that longevity and reliability. If a tool is instrumental to the work that you do, those features should be your highest priority. Not whether it works well with the latest tech trends.

Ironically LLMs have made Emacs even more relevant. The model LLMs use (text) happens to match up with how Emacs represents everything (text in buffers). This opens up Emacs to becoming the agentic editor par excellence. Just imagine, some macro magic acound a defcommand and voila, the agent can do exactly what a user can. If only such a project could have the funding like Cursor does...

Nothing could be worse for the modern Emacs ecosystem than for the tech industry finance vampires ("VCs," "LPs") to decide there's blood enough there to suck.

Fortunately, alien space magic seems immune, so far at least. I assume they do not like the taste, and no wonder.

Why should the Emacs community care whether someone decides to build a custom editor with AI features? If anything this would bring more interest and development into the ecosystem, which everyone would benefit from. Anyone not interested can simply ignore it, as we do for any other feature someone implements into their workflow.

what i find interesting is why is nobody building llms trained on using the shell and PTY at its full

right now its dumb unix piping only

I want an AI that can use emacs or vim with me

There are tens (maybe low hundreds?) of thousands of people who want that.

Which is exactly why it hasn’t been commercially developed.

yea... I guess is too niche, I guess scratch your own itch + foss it so the low hundreds of us can have fun or smt

I was exploring using andyk/ht discussed on hn a few months back, to sit as a proxy my llm can call at the same time i control via xtermjs, but i need to figure out how to train the llm to output keybindings/special keys etc, but promising start nonetheless, i can indeed parse a lot of extra info than just a command, just imagine if AI could use all of the shell auto-complete features but feed into it..

maybe i should revisit/cleanup that repo and make it public. It feels like with just some data training on special key bindings etc an llm should be able to type, even if -char by char- at a faster speed than a human, to control TUI's