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'We Currently Have No Container Ships,' Seattle Port Says

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232 points pseudolus | 2 comments | 10 May 25 15:49 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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ljf ◴[10 May 25 17:23 UTC] No.43947293[source]▶
Looks like this needs updating now https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chinese-cargo-seattle-tari...
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kristjansson ◴[10 May 25 17:37 UTC] No.43947401[source]▶
> In fact, the Northwest Seaport Alliance … said it was so far seeing more vessels call into port in 2025 than in 2024, with three more calls in the first quarter of 2025 than during the same period in 2024.

> However, the ships calling into port were arriving with unpredictable volumes of cargo — sometimes 30% less than anticipated

And Snopes felt comfortable rating “mostly false” to the top level claim? I get that they’re trying to navigating treacherous waters, but “there’s still ships, they’re just 1/3 empty” is as much support for the top level claim as it is contradiction

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lurk2 ◴[10 May 25 18:20 UTC] No.43947726[source]▶
If I drink 30% of a glass of water, is the glass of water empty?
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ok_dad ◴[10 May 25 19:18 UTC] No.43948122[source]▶
If I drink 30% less water overall, I’d be pretty unhealthy.
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lurk2 ◴[10 May 25 20:14 UTC] No.43948593{3}[source]▶
That is irrelevant. The question was weather or not the ports can be considered empty if some ships are up to 30% empty, which is not the case. Emptiness can be more encompassing than 0% (there is still some residual water in an “empty” glass of water), but it isn’t so expansive as to range from >0% to 70%.
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ok_dad ◴[10 May 25 20:55 UTC] No.43948916{4}[source]▶
You’re speaking about technicalities. There shouldn’t be any argument that our economy will continue to be fucked by tariffs and supply issues. 30 percent is massive.
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1. noworriesnate ◴[10 May 25 22:22 UTC] No.43949485{5}[source]▶
"Technicalities?" 70% does not round to 0%. That's not a "technicality," that is a blatant misrepresentation.

If a boy was watching the sheep, saw a wolf, and cried "Dragon! Dragon!" and then the king and his army came to fight the dragon, and when he was criticized for lying, he said, "You're talking in technicalities, there was indeed a wolf," that is what this feels like to me. But then if he refused to ever call the wolf a wolf, and this happened over and over again, and he always called it a dragon--well, a lot of people would just ignore him.

Like, why not just say "Yeah, it's not true. Not sure what this guy's agenda is, but easily-disproved exaggeration doesn't help make the case. There IS a problem though, and let's try to have that conversation while ignoring obvious alarmism." You would sound reasonable and mature, and possibly even convincing.

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2. ipaddr ◴[10 May 25 23:02 UTC] No.43949727[source]▶
Thr 35% was the port of LA not Seattle which was a single point in time report saying no container ships are in Seattle at the moment and usually are.