Man 'Disappeared' by ICE Was on El Salvador Flight Manifest, Hacked Data Shows

Meh…I trust nothing. Not the government, not the media, and definitely not activist hackers.

If you are unscrupulous enough to hack someone else’s data, you are not trustworthy enough for me to trust that you haven’t manipulated the data you claim you have hacked.

How are you supposed to trust anyone fighting for good?

Just what exactly is “good”? People on both sides of this think they are doing good by their actions (even justifying the bad they do because of their “virtues”). Also, both sides have lots of people agreeing with them so I really don’t think there is some underlying universal common human “good” that establishes one side as right and another wrong excusing the bad actions of one side in the fight of the other on this topic.

Seems to me bad actions are just “bad”.

You're free to go then

> Now this he understood. It wasn’t damn politics, where good and bad were just, apparently, two ways of looking at the same thing or, at least, were described like that by the people who were on the side Vimes thought of as “bad.”

— Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant

…or stay.

I’m curious as to who you do trust

I like the game theory analysis going on behind this comment. What if it's all a prank and we allowed this random disappeared man to get their constitutionally mandated Due Process for nothing???

Well that’s easy—People who I know for a fact who haven’t: lied to me, done bad things, or are willing to do illegal things.

Can you say that about the government, media, or activist hackers? I know I can’t.

According to the Homeland Security tweet actually linked in the article as evidence of his deportation…he received due process when a federal judge ordered his deportation. After which…he was deported.

So…like I said…who you going to trust? The government, the media, the hackers? All are bad actors here. Ain’t no one here with clean hands…including you by suggesting that due process wasn’t provided when the article you are commenting about actually said that it was.

That's also quite convenient in that it allows you to say "shrug" to basically everything under the sun.

Who would provide communication and awareness on this specific issue, then? Someone/something specific. Not just "not people I can't trust", that's a negative set.

> Who would provide communication and awareness on this specific issue, then?

Maybe a good start is someone who doesn’t break the law to do it?

I mean the issue is caused by a government breaking its own laws, correct? Isn’t that what’s bad? I guess I don’t see how breaking a law to expose someone else breaking a law makes you virtuous and trustworthy.

But you're doing it again. You're saying "I don't trust X Y and Z". So who do you trust? "Someone who doesn't break the law." Who?

Because you're only just saying "I don't believe anything because everyone lies" and you can't name a specific person/group/entity that you'd trust, it's just this nebulous and vague "people who don't break the law".

So again, who would you trust to break this story (assuming, for the sake of argument, that the allegations are correct)? Because so far you have "not the media", "not the government" and "not people involved".

Do you agree that it could be possible to find someone who could prove whether a name was left off a list without resorting to breaking the law to do it?

Do you agree that a reporter could write a story about a deportee’s name being left off a deportation list and the subsequent government admission that the person was in fact deported without ignoring or perhaps burying the fact that the deported was legally deported after a judge ordered them deported?

Do you agree that a government or government official could provide accurate information the first time when questioned about someone who was detained and deported?

Those are the types of people that I would consider trustworthy. None of that happened here which fans the flames of my skepticism.