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Matt Godbolt sold me on Rust by showing me C++

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611 points LorenDB | 1 comments | 06 May 25 17:51 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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markus_zhang ◴[06 May 25 18:09 UTC] No.43908006[source]▶
What if we have a C that removes the quirks without adding too much brain drain?

So no implicit type conversions, safer strings, etc.

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_mlbt ◴[06 May 25 18:30 UTC] No.43908193[source]▶
Swift is really great these days and supports Windows and Linux. It almost feels like a scripting language other than the compile time of course.
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kelnos ◴[06 May 25 20:37 UTC] No.43909391[source]▶
I still have a hard time adopting a language/ecosystem that was originally tied to a particular platform, and is still "owned" by the owners of that platform.

Sun actually did it right with Java, recognizing that if they mainly targeted SunOS/Solaris, no one would use it. And even though Oracle owns it now, it's not really feasible for them to make it proprietary.

Apple didn't care about other platforms (as usual) for quite a long time in Swift's history. Microsoft was for years actively hostile toward attempts to run .NET programs on platforms other than Windows. Regardless of Apple's or MS's current stance, I can't see myself ever bothering with Swift or C#/F#/etc. There are too many other great choices with broad platform and community support, that aren't closely tied to a corporation.

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1. hmry ◴[06 May 25 21:22 UTC] No.43909797{3}[source]▶
.NET recently had a (very) minor controversy for inserting what amounts to a GitHub Copilot ad into their docs. So yeah, it sure feels like "once a corporate language, always a corporate language", even if it's transferred to a nominally independent org. It might not be entirely rational, but I certainly feel uncomfortable using Swift or .NET.