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47282847 ◴[] No.43810954[source]
It’s interesting to muse about the larger picture here. What is it that makes autism so dangerous? To me it looks like part of an almost spiritual war against empathy/compassion by traumatized individuals trying to fight their own Jungian Shadow.
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timoth3y ◴[] No.43811131[source]
“I told you once that I was searching for the nature of evil. I think I’ve come close to defining it: a lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants. A genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow man. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”

      ― G. M. Gilbert, American psychologist who worked on the Nuremberg trials
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ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.43811267[source]
Didn't someone recently mention that "The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy"?

Sounds familiar...

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gruez ◴[] No.43811354[source]
That quote was massively taken out of context. His argument was that the west has too much empathy, not that empathy is bad, period. He even specifically prefaced that with saying that empathy is a good thing.
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sethammons ◴[] No.43811444[source]
Context:

Musk: Yeah, [Gad Saad is] awesome, and he talks about, you know, basically suicidal empathy. Like, there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. So, we've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. And it's like, I believe in empathy, like, I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for, for civilization as a whole, and not commit to a civilizational suicide.

Rogan: Also don't let someone use your empathy against you so they can completely control your state and then do an insanely bad job of managing it and never get removed.

Musk: The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. They're exploiting a bug in Western civilization, which is the empathy response. So, I think, you know, empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/yes-musk-said-the-...

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JeremyNT ◴[] No.43811489{3}[source]
How does this context somehow exonerate him?

It reads like absolute paranoia to me.

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gruez ◴[] No.43811817{4}[source]
>How does this context somehow exonerate him?

You might not agree with his statement even with the full context, but at the very least it's a very different statement than the initial quote of "The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy".

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1. SauciestGNU ◴[] No.43812483{5}[source]
With the larger context of the quote it still seems like a distinction without a difference.
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2. gruez ◴[] No.43812617[source]
>distinction without a difference

There's a pretty big difference between "I think the west has too much empathy" and "The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy", even if both are directionally anti-empathy. It's not any different than "I think the US's free speech regulations are too lax" and "The fundamental weakness of the US is free speech". Even though both are directionally anti-free speech, and a free speech opponent would object both premises, it would be wholly irresponsible to paint someone who wants hate speech laws passed as the latter, when their position is more accurately portrayed as the former.

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3. ZeroGravitas ◴[] No.43813953[source]
He literally says "The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy" at one point in the larger quote, while your comment makes it sound like that was a paraphrase of his comment.
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4. gruez ◴[] No.43814041{3}[source]
>He literally says "The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy" at one point in the larger quote

I never claimed that he didn't say that, only that selectively quoting that part conveys an entirely different message than if you quoted the whole thing.

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5. JeremyNT ◴[] No.43815200{4}[source]
Are we even reading the same thing? The rest of his statement is simply a justification for this explicitly stated position!