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anenefan ◴[] No.43800302[source]
My younger bro is convinced phones are eavesdropping on conversations and got particularly paranoid (I thought) a year or so back in regard to talking in earshot of his phone.

His evidence is empirical - Apparently he gets pretty high with friends and shit talks - but when when the search started to suggest some pretty way out things along the same lines, he landed that their conversations weren't private any more.

So I have an understanding of how much tracking is going on so I pressed him on that. But he assured me it was stuff he would not even bother to look up in a clearer mindset and of course smoking recreationally for a very long time knows not to go near some tools that could land himself trouble or awkward explanations. That's probably true he says a lot of stuff that a half decent search would put him straight. In the end I just figured loose permissions of one of the many apps he's installed and that's how they (the app) make their money, selling illegally obtained data to more legal sources.

Permissions are the problem with android phones - there needs to be a specific install route for users, one that the app starts asking for things it should not need have access to, the installer refuses to install and suggests the user look for something better. Camera apps for example really don't need access to communication channels, if it's updates it's need, it can ask - one time access.

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edgyquant ◴[] No.43800381[source]
He’s right and everyone knows it. It's pretty blatant and there have been lawsuits settle rather than go to a trial that would surely reveal the extent to which this thing that’s obviously happening is happening

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/apple-siri-priva...

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simonw ◴[] No.43800633[source]
I attempted to debunk that one here (an admittedly impossible task but I can't help myself trying): https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jan/2/they-spy-on-you-but-not...
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number6 ◴[] No.43801032[source]
A swan can't stop a hurricane
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simonw ◴[] No.43801248[source]
OK wow that actually fits here. https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/23/meaning-slop/
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anenefan ◴[] No.43808734[source]
lol so it's getting that bad. Assigning meaning to random phrases is BS. If it keeps on going it'll start attributing meaning to misspelled words.

LLMs are only as good or bad as they are created - or their function / parameters? Google got real sad mid 00s - it's all about the money now isn't it.

Topic recently [1] re Google A.I. BSing.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43748171 ('Epistemological Slop: Lies, Damned Lies, and Google' - <newcartographies.com>)

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number6 ◴[] No.43810995{3}[source]
Isn't this how proverbs come to life? "Bobs your uncle" - all these proverbs are made up...
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1. anenefan ◴[] No.43811913{4}[source]
Yes people are creative and time to time come up with phrases, comments or sayings that catch on. It's how popular jokes start out as well.

I'm not sure if you first thought it up or just repeated the term - as I see simonw meaning-slop link was posted as a separate post at HN 2 days ago.

However it's certainly bad when some piss poor LLM starts flogging some nonce as a meaning. For example when using less well documented idioms or terminology - google sadly isn't that great any more at finding stuff, so ... not good if it just makes stuff up instead. New creative stuff, sometimes people can get the gist of it but all the same no one wants the likes of a search assistant vomiting all over it.

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2. number6 ◴[] No.43813435[source]
I read it two days ago and found it fitting :)

I see your point - when LLMs just make stuff if to be helpful.