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Your phone isn't secretly listening to you, but the truth is more disturbing

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369 points zeech | 16 comments | 26 Apr 25 00:26 UTC | HN request time: 1.374s | source | bottom
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limbero ◴[26 Apr 25 17:01 UTC] No.43805260[source]▶
This article reminds me of this excellent tongue-in-cheek piece of writing by Jonathan Zeller in McSweeney's:

Calm Down—Your Phone Isn’t Listening to Your Conversations. It’s Just Tracking Everything You Type, Every App You Use, Every Website You Visit, and Everywhere You Go in the Physical World

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/calm-down-your-phone-isn...

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Spooky23 ◴[26 Apr 25 20:09 UTC] No.43806692[source]▶
There is so much time spent “debunking” audio recordings being shared with various entities it makes me more suspicious.

Just like Facebook’s “we never sell your data (we just stalk you and sell ads using your data)”. I’m sure there’s a similar weasel excuse… “we never listen to your audio (but we do analyze it to improve quality assurance)”

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LgWoodenBadger ◴[26 Apr 25 22:11 UTC] No.43807661[source]▶
It’s similar with the TSA facial recognition photos. “We delete your photo immediately” but what they don’t say is that they don’t delete the biometrics from that photo.
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bsimpson ◴[26 Apr 25 22:14 UTC] No.43807689[source]▶
It's a crime that were compelled to concede our 4th Amendment rights in order to travel.
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1. DrillShopper ◴[26 Apr 25 23:35 UTC] No.43808225[source]▶
Amtrak and Greyhound do not require those biometrics, nor does renting a car and driving (or driving your own).
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2. kelnos ◴[26 Apr 25 23:44 UTC] No.43808267[source]▶
Some of us want to be able to cross the country in an afternoon, and not have to spend days on a slow, uncomfortable train to make the same trip. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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3. uoaei ◴[26 Apr 25 23:50 UTC] No.43808286[source]▶
Certainly not unreasonable. But it does require you to commission your own transport subject to the rules that that private entity seeks to impose. Public entities which indiscriminately service residents and visitors of a given territory would obviate this requirement. But if you're in the US, good luck convincing taxpayers to agree to pay for that.
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4. vel0city ◴[27 Apr 25 00:38 UTC] No.43808483{3}[source]▶
> subject to the rules that that private entity seeks to impose.

It's not the private entity taking a 3D face scan, nor are they necessarily wanting for that scan to be taken. It's federal laws and regulations being done by federal agents in spaces controlled by the federal government.

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5. DrillShopper ◴[27 Apr 25 01:54 UTC] No.43808861[source]▶
Private and charter aviation exists and is free from those constraints.
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6. saagarjha ◴[27 Apr 25 03:18 UTC] No.43809189{3}[source]▶
Some of us are not billionaires.
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7. Spooky23 ◴[27 Apr 25 04:07 UTC] No.43809366[source]▶
You can also walk. Lovers of freedom can walk from Manhattan to LA in 40-50 days. Of course if you look “wrong”, you’ll probably get rounded up in some flyover town.
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8. warkdarrior ◴[27 Apr 25 04:33 UTC] No.43809452{4}[source]▶
Freedom has never been free.
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9. HaZeust ◴[27 Apr 25 19:01 UTC] No.43814292[source]▶
I wonder what the chances of surviving that trip is, based on walking pedestrian fatalities on highways.
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10. theoreticalmal ◴[27 Apr 25 19:35 UTC] No.43814495{5}[source]▶
That’s not what that means
11. uoaei ◴[27 Apr 25 20:08 UTC] No.43814703{4}[source]▶
TSA is not a government organization. Neither is Boeing nor any of the airline carriers.
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12. vel0city ◴[27 Apr 25 20:18 UTC] No.43814789{5}[source]▶
TSA is absolutely a government organization, it's a part of the Department of Homeland Security. It was created by an act of Congress, the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. You might as well argue the IRS or FBI or the US Marshalls aren't a government organization. What about absolutely absurd thing to suggest.

> The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is an agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that has authority over the security of transportation systems within and connecting to the United States.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Admi...

13. bdangubic ◴[27 Apr 25 20:21 UTC] No.43814808{5}[source]▶
TSA is not government organization as much as Pentagon is not :)
14. michaelmrose ◴[28 Apr 25 19:12 UTC] No.43824902{3}[source]▶
Depends on where you walk the US is amazingly poorly situated for long walks outside of major cities. Sidewalks disappear first then lighting then one is liable to run into major stretches with no safe affordance for walking whatsoever where one is either inches from cars or in a ditch.
15. DrillShopper ◴[28 Apr 25 22:28 UTC] No.43826793{4}[source]▶
You don't have to be to fly charter or private.
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16. saagarjha ◴[29 Apr 25 10:09 UTC] No.43830627{5}[source]▶
Ok, fine, centimillionaire. Maybe even some decamillionaires. Happy?