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drgo ◴[] No.43801699[source]
The crisis in science can only be fixed by addressing the slew of bad incentives built into the system. We can't predicate job security, promotion and prestige of every early career scientist on publishing as many papers as possible, and on obtaining grants (which requires publishing as many papers as possible) and then expect high-quality science. We can't starve universities of public funding and expect them not to selectively hire scientists whose main skill is publishing hundreds of "exciting" papers, and not overproduce low-quality future "scientists" who were trained in the dark arts of academic survival. Reform is more urgent than ever; AI has essentially obsoleted the mental model that equates the count of published papers with productivity and quality.
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constantcrying ◴[] No.43803266[source]
But why is lying so common in science?

Incentives like these exist in basically all areas of work. Perform well and you get "job security, promotion and prestige". Yet somehow there is no decade long ongoing crisis in industry of corporations lying about their products. When these cases happens (obviously they do), corporations and individuals get punished.

How would you reform the system? More funding definitely is not the answer.

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1. ChromaticPanic ◴[] No.43804774[source]
You mean like how tobacco company CEO's went to Congress telling them that there is no cancer risk? Oil companies pretending they didn't know about global warming? Shrinkflation? Corporations lie all the time and the people running them are never punished.
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2. constantcrying ◴[] No.43807589[source]
>Corporations lie all the time and the people running them are never punished.

Then why is the ex-VW CEO currently in court?

I did not deny that fraud exists in corporation, but it is not committed by the rank and file. Most employees actually perform their duties. Examples of fraud seem rare, the VW scandal maybe.

In science a good part of the rank and file is either incompetent and malicious.