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A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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1321 points kwindla | 2 comments | 25 Apr 25 15:01 UTC | HN request time: 0.409s | source
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swagasaurus-rex ◴[25 Apr 25 15:14 UTC] No.43794426[source]▶
Very exciting! Electric vehicles have the ability to be very simple, much simpler than an ICE.

Although electric can't be 100% analog, I miss the old days when a car has no software updates, no telemetry, no privacy issues, no mandatory subscription for features.

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the__alchemist ◴[25 Apr 25 15:23 UTC] No.43794543[source]▶
Don't want or need analog: Just don't enshittify the digital! CAN bus is a great system; don't IoT it or use dark patterns.
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pnw ◴[25 Apr 25 17:05 UTC] No.43796071[source]▶
I doubt CAN bus will be around that much longer, I know several EV manufacturers are actively phasing it out. Yes, it was revolutionary in it's time but it's a 40 year old standard that doesn't have enough bandwidth for the requirements of modern cars, and it was designed before security was even a thought. It's also unnecessarily complex wiring that adds weight to the car. Even the updated FD standard is only 8 mbps, so it's barely enough for video from a backup camera.
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1. the__alchemist ◴[25 Apr 25 17:23 UTC] No.43796257[source]▶
It's a tool that's more than sufficient for most things. Video isn't one of those, and it's a 2-wire bus, so I don't see what the wiring concern is!
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2. pnw ◴[25 Apr 25 17:34 UTC] No.43796401[source]▶
As I understand it, newer systems like LVCS and Ethernet use less wire and smaller connectors. Apparently it can save up to 30% of the weight in a wiring harness which would be about 100 lbs. There was a thread on it on HN not long ago.

Video for a backup camera is mandatory on new cars in the US and Europe, so it makes sense to use the same bus.