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Pope Francis has died

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916 points phillipharris | 2 comments | 21 Apr 25 08:00 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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haunter ◴[21 Apr 25 08:11 UTC] No.43749471[source]▶
RIP.

His speech yesterday (he dictated it I guess) was very very political, not on the usual level, felt like a finally "all out" for me.

https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/messages/urbi/do...

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tetris11 ◴[21 Apr 25 08:29 UTC] No.43749561[source]▶
> I express my closeness to the sufferings of Christians in Palestine and Israel, and to all the Israeli people and the Palestinian people. The growing climate of anti-Semitism throughout the world is worrisome. Yet at the same time, I think of the people of Gaza, and its Christian community in particular, where the terrible conflict continues to cause death and destruction and to create a dramatic and deplorable humanitarian situation. I appeal to the warring parties: call a ceasefire, release the hostages and come to the aid of a starving people that aspires to a future of peace!
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hersko ◴[21 Apr 25 14:15 UTC] No.43752261[source]▶
Tangentially related: why do so many people call for a ceasefire, when a ceasefire is generally temporary. It wouldn't resolve any of the underlying reasons for the war. He should be calling for surrender.
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kelnos ◴[21 Apr 25 15:29 UTC] No.43753061[source]▶
Who should surrender, though? At this point in time, if Hamas were to surrender, the Israeli occupation of Gaza would just get worse. That wouldn't be peace, or justice, for people of Gaza. I certainly don't support what Hamas has done, but Israeli rule will probably be pretty brutal for Palestinians.
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robertoandred ◴[21 Apr 25 16:25 UTC] No.43753726[source]▶
Israel hasn't occupied Gaza for 20 years.
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za3faran ◴[21 Apr 25 18:50 UTC] No.43755165[source]▶
They literally control the air, water, electricity, food, internet, everything. They are literally mass starving the Gazans as we speak.
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milesrout[dead post] ◴[22 Apr 25 01:15 UTC] No.43758215[source]▶
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za3faran ◴[22 Apr 25 18:04 UTC] No.43764747[source]▶
israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.
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shadowgovt ◴[22 Apr 25 18:31 UTC] No.43764950[source]▶
I'm not even sure I'd go so far as to call them anti-zionist.

How long do people imagine Israel survives as a state with a brutally-oppressed population under its care?

It's a rational position to be pro-state-of-Israel and want them to find peace (and integration) with the Gazans because the consequences of perpetual animosity and aggression are the single biggest threat to the state's survival.

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1. shadowgovt ◴[23 Apr 25 00:10 UTC] No.43767497[source]▶
> Did the Americans feed the Japanese?

I'm sure you don't seriously intend to bring up American treatment of the Japanese in its territory as a positive example.

As you are not American, I forgive you your apparent lack of knowledge of the concentration camps, or the theft of property that was never returned to innocent Japanese Americans.

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2. za3faran ◴[23 Apr 25 00:56 UTC] No.43767692[source]▶
Go watch the many documentaries about Gaza, then tell us it is not brutally oppressed. The fact of the matter is that Palestinians have been treated atrociously for over 75 years now. The West Bank is not much better off either by the way.