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mcphage ◴[] No.43763949[source]
I don't think you need anything fancy to tackle the "surprise examination" or "unexpected hanging" paradox. This is my take on it, at least:

> The teacher says one day he'll give a quiz and it will be a surprise. So the kids think "well, it can't be on the last day then—we'd know it was coming." And then they think "well, so it can't be on the day before the last day, either!—we'd know it was coming." And so on... and they convince themselves it can't happen at all.

> But then the teacher gives it the very next day, and they're completely surprised.

The students convince themselves that it can't happen at all... and that's well and good, but once they admit that as an option, they have to include that in their argument—and if they do so, their entire argument falls apart immediate.

Consider the first time through: "It can't be on the last day, because we'd know it was coming, and so couldn't be a surprise." Fine.

Now compare the second time through: "If we get to the last day, then either it will be on that day, or it won't happen at all. We don't know which, so if it did happen on that day, it would count as a surprise." Now you can't exclude any day, the whole structure of the argument fell apart.

Basically, they start with a bunch of premises, arrive at a contradiction, and conclude some new possibility. But if you stop there, you just end up with a contradiction and can't conclude anything.

So you need to restart your argument, with your new possibility as one of the premises. And now you don't get to a contradiction at all.

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griffzhowl ◴[] No.43764706[source]
But it's stipulated that the test will happen on one of the days - it's not a possibility that it won't happen at all, hence the paradox.

One resolution is that what the teacher stipulates is impossible. It should really be

"You'll have a test within the next x days but won't know which day it'll be on (unless it's the last day)"

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1. mcphage ◴[] No.43766915[source]
That’s not a paradox, though, that’s just impossible instructions. There’s nothing paradoxical about impossible instructions. The teacher should have stipulated “You’ll have a test within the next X days but won’t know which day it’ll be on, or else it won’t happen at all.” The students realize that no test is a possibility, but they wrongly conclude that it’s what will happen, instead of realizing that that possibility merely makes the teacher’s instructions valid.
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2. griffzhowl ◴[] No.43767629[source]
Well, yeah, a resolution to something that's called a paradox means it's no longer a paradox. It seems we agree that the original instruction as stated,

"You’ll have a test within the next X days but won’t know which day it’ll be on"

is impossible