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Pope Francis has died

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carlos-menezes ◴[] No.43749613[source]
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis...

> According to Archbishop Diego Ravelli, Master of Apostolic Ceremonies, the late Pope Francis had requested that the funeral rites be simplified and focused on expressing the faith of the Church in the Risen Body of Christ.

Always struck me as a simple man and that likely contributed to people liking him more when compared to his predecessors. RIP.

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jjude ◴[] No.43749684[source]
Pope John Paul II was also extremely popular across the world.
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carlos-menezes ◴[] No.43749792[source]
He was, but John Paul II was traditionally conservative. I think Francis resonated with more people–Christian or not–because he emphasized compassion, humility, and social justice.

He spoke more openly about issues like poverty, climate change, and inclusion–his encyclical LAUDATO SI’ is a great read–, and he often used language and gestures that the "common man" could relate to.

Perhaps the way he dressed so simply–with the plain white cassock–also emphasized his overall approach: less focus on grandeur, more on service.

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svieira ◴[] No.43752699[source]
He also spoke incredibly directly about abortion - "hiring a hitman" cuts right to the heart of the issue.
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lotsofpulp ◴[] No.43754424[source]
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bigstrat2003[dead post] ◴[] No.43754527[source]
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lupusreal ◴[] No.43754759[source]
I sincerely hope that at some point we can develop artificial wombs and use them to render this whole debate moot. Instead of abortion we can take the fetus out, put it into an artificial womb then let it be raised as an orphan or whatever. It should make both sides happy, IF they are both being honest about their motives.
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lotsofpulp[dead post] ◴[] No.43754902[source]
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gameman144 ◴[] No.43756921[source]
> There is no “both sides” here

If there's ever a disagreement or debate about anything, then there are literally always two sides.

You might disagree that the thing that the other side is prioritizing is as important (e.g. the lives of fetuses vs. the right to bodily autonomy for women), or that the thing the other side believes is even right (e.g. people who believe in racial hierarchies and other literally racist ideologies), but that doesn't detract from the fact that two sides do, in reality, exist.

In my experience, it's way more effective determining the thing that the other side cares about, then finding common ground if that's something that you also care about -- from there, it's a lot easier to make the case that while both priorities are good, your priorities might be more justifiable.

Shutting down the other side by saying their viewpoint is invalid has been productive for me literally zero times in my life.

(On the topic, this was a thing that Pope Francis was exceptionally good at: he actually listened to the concerns of people and spoke with them where they were at, even those who he vehemently disagreed with).

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lotsofpulp ◴[] No.43757878[source]
That is not my understanding of what “both sides” refers to. Both sides is when both sides are doing bad things, such as lupusreal claiming both sides are being dishonest.

> Shutting down the other side by saying their viewpoint is invalid has been productive for me literally zero times in my life.

When the topic at hand is one group wanting to exercise power over another group, there can never be a resolution. The only thing left is to sway those on the fences.

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1. gameman144 ◴[] No.43764857{6}[source]
> When the topic at hand is one group wanting to exercise power over another group, there can never be a resolution.

I actually agree here, but only insofar as a resolution needs to be the ideal for both parties: a resolution could totally be rules and doctrine that both sides find partially objectionable, but the best feasible option.

I do want to point out that your point about one group exercising power over another is almost always where these disagreements arise: each party thinks that they've identified an unjust exertion of power that should be prevented.