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nomilk ◴[] No.43748605[source]
> The (pro democracy) protesters were met with severe repression, and in November 2020, Prime Minister Prayuth ordered authorities to bring back the enforcement of lèse-majesté, or Section 112 of the Criminal Code, which criminalizes “insulting the monarchy”. Thailand’s use of lèse-majesté has been both arbitrary and prolific; protesters can be arrested for as little as sharing social media posts that are ‘insulting to the monarchy’. Furthermore, the weaponization of lèse-majesté has devastating consequences: those convicted under Section 112 face three to 15 years in prison per count.
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colechristensen ◴[] No.43749049[source]
Absurd and not at all surprising today. And large sections of many populations do not care because their ideology aligns with whoever is doing the abuse of basic freedoms.
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rayiner ◴[] No.43751858[source]
I was born in Thailand--though to be clear, I am not Thai. Thais are not Westerners. They revere their king. Their "ideology" doesn't embrace western "freedoms" of speech and protest to begin with. So the implied accusation of hypocrisy in your comment is simply misplaced.

Westerners generally, and Americans specifically, don't realize how their constant harping on "basic freedoms" comes across as ethnocentric. My parents are American citizens, but they were raised in Bangladesh and they don't really believe in free speech or democracy. My dad always talks about free speech with implicit scare quotes, like he’s referring to an american custom.

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yongjik ◴[] No.43754959[source]
As an East Asian, let me say that this sentiment is not shared by everyone. In a place like Korea, if you say that freedom of speech and protest is a western thing, you'll be ridiculed as hopelessly reactionary. We fought for (and continue fighting for) democracy and freedom not because they're western things, but because they're human things.

You might as well say heliocentrism is a western thing and Asians should be taught the earth is the center of the universe.

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1. rayiner ◴[] No.43755175[source]
Don’t you think it’s a rather large coincidence that western countries just so happened to discover these “human things” and insofar as these ideas were adopted in Asia, it was after extensive intervention by western countries? In the case of south korea, for example, after military occupation by the U.S.?

Heliocentrism is an observable fact about the universe. Can you show me democracy and freedom of speech in a telescope or microscope?