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Pope Francis has died

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carlos-menezes ◴[] No.43749613[source]
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis...

> According to Archbishop Diego Ravelli, Master of Apostolic Ceremonies, the late Pope Francis had requested that the funeral rites be simplified and focused on expressing the faith of the Church in the Risen Body of Christ.

Always struck me as a simple man and that likely contributed to people liking him more when compared to his predecessors. RIP.

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jjude ◴[] No.43749684[source]
Pope John Paul II was also extremely popular across the world.
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carlos-menezes ◴[] No.43749792[source]
He was, but John Paul II was traditionally conservative. I think Francis resonated with more people–Christian or not–because he emphasized compassion, humility, and social justice.

He spoke more openly about issues like poverty, climate change, and inclusion–his encyclical LAUDATO SI’ is a great read–, and he often used language and gestures that the "common man" could relate to.

Perhaps the way he dressed so simply–with the plain white cassock–also emphasized his overall approach: less focus on grandeur, more on service.

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mantas ◴[] No.43751618[source]
JPII was also elected in a very different world. And he played a big moral role in taking down iron curtain and getting Eastern Europe back Europe.

Meanwhile Francis was quite the opposite. Especially as seen in the light of Russian aggression against Ukraine. For much of Eastern Europe that was like 180 turn. At least here both church goers and not seem to despise Francis while JPII has a warm place in the hearts both factions. Maybe it was different far away where Russia ain’t a hot topic.

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dml2135 ◴[] No.43751922[source]
Can you elaborate on what you mean here? You seem to be alluding to a stance that Francis had towards Russia that I am not familiar with.
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1. mantas ◴[] No.43751988[source]
He said Ukraine should surrender. To Russia which wants to exterminate Ukraine as a nation, culture and language.

Feel free to google for more details. There were multiple occurrences when he doubled-down on his words after backlash.

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2. gosub100 ◴[] No.43753859[source]
And if he rallied for war he'd be criticized just the same: "leader of the Christians is such a hypocrite advocating for killing .."
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3. psunavy03 ◴[] No.43754305[source]
Just war theory was first written on in the West by Saint Augustine.
4. dragonwriter ◴[] No.43754466[source]
> He said Ukraine should surrender.

Which would be bad, had he done so, but he didn't actually say that; the white flag comment was specifically and explicitly about being willing to directly negotiate with Russia, not about surrender.

> There were multiple occurrences when he doubled-down on his words after backlash.

He certainly called on multiple occasions for all parties to negotiate, but he was also consistent, both before Russia invaded, after the invasion and before the "white flag" comment, immediately after the "white flag" comment, and since that the invasion by Russia is (or "would be" before it occurred) unjustifiable, immoral, an act of aggression, and that Russia has the primary obligation to stop it.

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5. angra_mainyu ◴[] No.43757889[source]
Went to Jesus in a keffiyeh, that in itself is atrocious!!! Then simped for jihadis. Plenty of similar stuff.

It's hard to blame all the catholics that are sighing in relief hoping for a better successor.

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6. mantas ◴[] No.43759538[source]
What negotiations when Russians were asking for surrender and no other options were on the table?
7. mantas ◴[] No.43760072[source]
Seems to line up well with self-hate tendencies in many parts of West.