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Pope Francis has died

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CKMo ◴[] No.43749746[source]
I genuinely liked him, even as an atheist. He seemed to be trying his best to make the world a better place and I can't fault him for that.
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heresie-dabord ◴[] No.43750266[source]
He riled many of his flock and hierarchy when he said that "even atheists can be redeemed". [0]

I will always applaud a person who retreats — even just a little — from dogma and fanaticism.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/05/29/187009384/...

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kergonath ◴[] No.43750480[source]
> He riled many of his flock and hierarchy when he said that "even atheists can be redeemed".

Which is "interesting", considering how much of the New Testament is about redemption and reaching out to outsiders. Aren’t we all supposed to be God’s creation, and wasn’t Jesus supposed to teach us about salvation, redemption and forgiveness?

(And by "interesting", I mean that it is yet another of example cognitive dissonance amongst fundamentalists. If anyone can be redeemed, it implies that atheists can, as well.)

> I will always applaud a person who retreats — even just a little — from dogma and fanaticism.

Indeed. He was not perfect but he was better than most. I hope the next one won’t be a catholic version of patriarch Kirill.

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1. sramsay ◴[] No.43751963[source]
It's funny you mention Kiril. I keep thinking about Pope Francis's (apparently deep and genuine) friendship with Bartholomew, Ecumenical Patriarch of the Orthodox Church.

It is traditional for the EP to visit Rome on the patronal Feast of Saints Peter and Paul and for the Pope to visit Istanbul on the Feast of Saint Andrew, which is apparently when the friendship first formed. My absolute favorite story about Francis is his deciding to send some of the most precious relics in the Vatican to Bartholomew as a gift: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2019-09/pope-francis... (That sent some people into a fury).

Actually, it's my second favorite story. My favorite story is his insistence that he live in the Vatican guesthouse (and not the Papal apartments). Or perhaps the fact that as archbishop of Buenos Ares he insisted on taking the subway.

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2. lukan ◴[] No.43753147[source]
"Actually, it's my second favorite story. My favorite story is his insistence that he live in the Vatican guesthouse"

I believe that had mainly power reasons, because pope Paul II was pretty out of the loop, what the cardinals were doing.

And Francis likely expected to face opposition in what he was doing, so being closer to the "people" was likely helpful on having an eye on them.