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    Pope Francis has died

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    lr4444lr ◴[] No.43751408[source]
    I will never forget his sympathy for the motives of the terrorists who massacred staff at Charlie Hebdo:

    “If my good friend Dr Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch,” Francis said while pretending to throw a punch in his direction.

    He added: “It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”[0]

    [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebd...

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    1. kashunstva ◴[] No.43751537[source]
    > You cannot insult the faith of others

    Why not? The concept of proportionality between an “offense” and a response that characterizes the liberal worldview was entirely missing here. If one chooses to take offense about some deeply held personal view, whatever it is, then fine; but let your response be proportional.

    The music of Beethoven is sacred to me, let’s say, but I’m not prepared to murder you if you mock it, or miss a note in performance.

    The pope’s threat of physical intervention himself seems at odds with the teachings of his own faith, too, as I understand them. Turn the other cheek, and all. But that would be for adherents to say for sure.

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    2. mantas ◴[] No.43751570[source]
    I didn’t hear from him any call-to-arms to defend Christianity from those who keep making fun of it left and right. Be it other religious faiths or quasi-religious political movements. His actions seemed the opposite tbh.
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    3. atrus ◴[] No.43751620[source]
    I think there's an implied "and not expect a response" there.

    If you insult unhinged people (and people who kill over a mere 'offense' to their religion are unhinged), don't be surprised when you receive an unhinged response back.

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    4. gwbas1c ◴[] No.43751629[source]
    Edit, see https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/buzz-aldrin-punched-conspi...

    That being said, as an American, the culture of mocking and gracefully learning from being mocked runs deep in my blood. I don't know if others share that same worldview.

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    5. joaopaulomcc ◴[] No.43751735[source]
    I believe that in the incident you referring to, it was Buzz Aldrin who did the punching. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/buzz-aldrin-punched-conspi...
    6. wymerica ◴[] No.43751743[source]
    That was Buzz Aldrin
    7. echoangle ◴[] No.43751748[source]
    > Remember, a judge let Neil Armstrong off for punching a moon landing denier in the face due to persistent taunting.

    That didn’t happen. The person you mean was Buzz Aldrin and it looks like there weren’t even charges filed, and there was no judge involved.

    8. tehlike ◴[] No.43751848[source]
    > That being said, as an American, the culture of mocking and gracefully learning from being mocked runs deep in my blood. I don't know if others share that same worldview.

    This is quickly getting forgotten.

    9. diggan ◴[] No.43751888[source]
    > as an American [...] I don't know if others share that same worldview.

    I'm far from American, but have the same "blood", but I think it has nothing to do with being American/Swedish/Spanish/whatever, some people have different personalities, upbringings and strengths/weaknesses simply.

    Americans aren't "tougher-skinned" by default or anything, at least I didn't get that experience from interacting with Americans.

    10. boredhedgehog ◴[] No.43751970[source]
    > The pope’s threat of physical intervention himself seems at odds with the teachings of his own faith, too, as I understand them. Turn the other cheek, and all.

    The quote in question talks about your cheek, not your mother's or anyone else's. In many circumstances, you're not as free to forego the defense of others as you are your own.

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    11. kelnos ◴[] No.43753160[source]
    So we should all be chilled and silent, because there are unhinged people who might retaliate far out of proportion to anything we might do or say? That's no way to live.
    12. pseudalopex ◴[] No.43753510[source]
    Punching someone who insulted your mother is escalation. Not defense.
    13. angra_mainyu ◴[] No.43757907[source]
    Literally.

    As Christians are being massacred in Africa at the hands of muslims, as Christianity is besieged, all he did was simp for one group in specific and scold everyone else.

    Even scolded Greece for not wanting to share the same fate as some Western European countries.