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I thought I bought a camera, but no DJI sold me a license to use it [video]

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354 points qingcharles | 5 comments | 21 Apr 25 02:47 UTC | HN request time: 3.4s | source
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Frieren ◴[21 Apr 25 05:01 UTC] No.43748615[source]▶
It should be forbidden for all device manufacturers to make apps, tracking, registering, etc. mandatory.

Every TV, phone, camera, tablet, fridge, ... is becoming a spying device like in the worst scifi dystopias. And as soon as the company stops supporting them they become trash to pollute the planet so they can sell you the next one.

Regulations should have come a decade a go. We own nothing, we have no privacy, we are sold products 24/7. I will vote for a goverment that protects me of this total corporate surveillance. It is their duty towards citizens to do so.

And it will happen, like feudalism died this techno-feudalism will die too.

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inopinatus ◴[21 Apr 25 06:48 UTC] No.43749036[source]▶
My vote could be swayed by a policy platform making it not merely forbidden, but outright criminal, to market software and hardware that cannot function without assignment of a user id. Everything from drones to games.

In many cases this would thoroughly annoy certain authoritarian regimes that are normalised as totalitarian surveillance states. Their exports would be disrupted. What a pity.

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sokoloff ◴[21 Apr 25 11:43 UTC] No.43750804[source]▶
Wouldn’t a phone be illegal under that scheme? (Because of the phone number being required for function and being a user-id.)
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1. tliltocatl ◴[21 Apr 25 12:29 UTC] No.43751206[source]▶
No, because that is service, not hardware.
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2. sokoloff ◴[21 Apr 25 12:37 UTC] No.43751291[source]▶
I think we can agree that a modern phone is “hardware and software” for sure.

If you want to modify GP’s proposal to exclude things that also have a service, how long until DJI adds a service to their drone? (It might even be a negative duration; I don’t own one, but it would shock me if there wasn’t some kind of service associated already, perhaps to prevent flying a drone in unauthorized areas [or justified as such] or allow access to some online component of camera service.)

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3. justinrubek ◴[21 Apr 25 12:56 UTC] No.43751481[source]▶
They can add all the services they want to their drone. As long as I'm not required to use them.
4. Jensson ◴[21 Apr 25 17:46 UTC] No.43754514[source]▶
> I think we can agree that a modern phone is “hardware and software” for sure.

You should be able to use your phone and install software on it without signing up for the sellers services, I think there is no reason to not allow that except evil lockin.

See windows for what happens when you don't legally enforce that, its ridiculous windows forces you to sign up to their services.

5. inopinatus ◴[22 Apr 25 02:03 UTC] No.43758435[source]▶
Even then, almost all online services are susceptible to re-imagining such that user/session identifiers are self-declared and can be rotated/discarded at any time. To this, some folks would be yelling, "that's not how my/XYZ service works", which is a proxy statement for those unwilling to say, "my/XYZ business model is abusive".

And that of course is also why this only happens via regulation.