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Pope Francis has died

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contrarian1234[dead post] ◴[] No.43750839[source]
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UncleMeat ◴[] No.43750999[source]
Francis was both things.

Within the scope of the Catholic Church he was progressive. His speeches were often in opposition to rising nationalism. He spoke about inclusion for people who haven't traditionally been included by the Church. In comparison to Benedict he was much more friendly to the global left.

But he was also a Catholic. The Church remains a global enemy to LGBT rights and its position on birth control is a source of death and devastation from AIDS as you mention. And the Church remains committed to a system of gender inequality within its ranks.

I do think that some of the lefty praise of Francis incorrectly ignores these problems. But also I'd rather have Francis than Benedict.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next. Two years ago I would have said that the next pope would certainly be a reactionary that returns to a more rigid conservatism. But with Trump elected and the rest of the world reacting to his idiocy I can see there being more limited appetite for a conservative turn within the Church leadership.

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1. contrarian1234 ◴[] No.43751149[source]
Okay.. but outside of speeches and saying nice words, are the actual policies of Francis and Benedict different? Is the church run differently?

Nice words are important but popes are not just a friendly powerless old men after all

EDIT: Looking into the topic of homosexual clergy in the Catholic church. It seems things got worse in 2005 and there has been no change since then

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_clergy_in_the_Catho...