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Pope Francis has died

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916 points phillipharris | 2 comments | 21 Apr 25 08:00 UTC | HN request time: 1.964s | source
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StefanBatory ◴[21 Apr 25 08:40 UTC] No.43749628[source]▶
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And for political side - in Poland, he was seen as way too leftist/liberal for the conservatives in Church, and too pro-Russian for the liberals in it - he had not condemned Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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consumer451 ◴[21 Apr 25 09:33 UTC] No.43749956[source]▶
This was a very interesting thing to witness. It seemed to indicate that politics is more powerful than religion, even in a country as religious as Poland.

I found this surprising and genuinely thought-provoking.

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StefanBatory ◴[21 Apr 25 10:03 UTC] No.43750151[source]▶
I had been talking with my conservative colleagues - they were deeply unhappy with him on stance of migration, LGBT issues, or even very recent - his talk with Vance, whom they support (American politics are just so big that it has effect on us even across the ocean).

Then, from religious point of view - they didn't really like his ecumenism approach, to them it was borderline of heresy.

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consumer451 ◴[21 Apr 25 10:08 UTC] No.43750177[source]▶
I was born in, and currently live in Poland. It truly blows my mind that any Polish person could side with a foreign political party that openly sides with moscow over Ukraine and even Poland. Political alignment is truly the strongest drug for many people.
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1. StefanBatory ◴[21 Apr 25 11:52 UTC] No.43750879[source]▶
Also, while I think that barring a fringe part of society, everyone would agree, the fun part is, how do you get to people to agree who's pro-Russian or not ;) Of course, this is for local parties, but go to /r/Poland and /r/Polska and ask them, what parties are pro-Russian. Then to Wykop, both Mikroblog and frontpage, and see the reactions.

Same thing will apply here.

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2. consumer451 ◴[21 Apr 25 11:59 UTC] No.43750920[source]▶
Anecdotally, my uncle just dropped by to thank me for the Easter flowers I had left at their place. He is pretty conservative, had always railed against this pope, and just called him a really good man. So at least today, religion and forgiveness won his heart.