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Pope Francis has died

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916 points phillipharris | 7 comments | 21 Apr 25 08:00 UTC | HN request time: 0.732s | source | bottom
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hliyan ◴[21 Apr 25 08:29 UTC] No.43749565[source]▶
I wonder whether we will have another Jesuit Pope. Jesuits are supposed to be generally very education focused, more progressive (especially w.r.t science) and stand less on ceremony. I know nothing about how the College of Cardinals work, but if they're anything like other political voting bodies, one of two outcomes are possible: a swing to the Right (and toward tradition), recognizing the current balance of power in the world, or a swing even further Left of Francis, again recognizing the current trend but as a counterweight.
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1. AStonesThrow ◴[21 Apr 25 10:02 UTC] No.43750145[source]▶
It always seems weird and ignorant for people to be labeling Catholic bishops as “left-wing” or “right-wing” or “liberal/progressive” or “conservative”.

Those are all political terms for politicians and their platforms or parties. They do not translate to Catholic doctrines or teachings. Y’all are simply parroting what the lamestream media wants to impose, a political veneer on non-politicians who are shepherds, pastors, teachers.

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2. andrepd ◴[21 Apr 25 10:41 UTC] No.43750349[source]▶
There very much is such a thing as a "progressive" and "conservative" wing in Catholicism, and the Vatican is well known to be very much a viper's nest. It's naive to imply that all those clergymen are simply "shepherds, pastors, teachers".
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3. Spooky23 ◴[21 Apr 25 11:55 UTC] No.43750895[source]▶
Catholic bishops and clergy like to meddle in politics.

In the US, reactionaries are dumping lots on money on the church, and many bishops have embraced right wing politics, stupidly aligning with evangelicals who deeply despise Catholicism in the process.

Some of the moves made are comically dumb. The archbishop of New York decided to make a big show about denying communion to the notoriously vindictive former governor of the state. That governor subsequently changed the look back period for civil sex abuse lawsuits, which has bankrupted or is in the process of bankrupting dioceses as they are forced to own up to their failures to protect children.

4. ebiester ◴[21 Apr 25 13:59 UTC] No.43752098[source]▶
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/study-liberal-us-priests-fa...

This is a Catholic media group. It uses the words as above. Think Karl Rahner or Yves Congar.

5. mcphage ◴[21 Apr 25 15:20 UTC] No.43752967[source]▶
> Y’all are simply parroting what the lamestream media wants to impose, a political veneer on non-politicians who are shepherds, pastors, teachers.

Bishops and Cardinals are very much political animals.

6. kelnos ◴[21 Apr 25 15:33 UTC] No.43753108[source]▶
While "progressive", "conservative", etc. are commonly used as political labels, they are general terms that describe how a person wants to see the world work. All people, regardless of their job or function, can have these sorts of terms ascribed to them.

And the Catholic Church exists on the world stage, and is involved in politics. Its leadership can be and is political.

7. AStonesThrow ◴[23 Apr 25 06:59 UTC] No.43769368[source]▶
"Our left-right political paradigm does not map neatly onto ancient institutions." -- Michael Knowles

https://youtu.be/y0v0xQdiY7U