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silexia ◴[] No.43748401[source]
The bigger government gets, the less freedoms the people have. It is critically important not to ask government to solve problems (government is bad at solving most problems), and to seek ways to shrink government.
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1. steve_adams_86 ◴[] No.43748469[source]
I agree and disagree. Some things make sense to centralize. Some things maybe less.

I’m glad Canada is talking about centralizing how trade is managed, for example. I think it’ll be good for us in the long run. Yet I don’t think food security is best accomplished through centralized farming practices. Distribution of these systems may be slightly less efficient, but I think that’s a price worth paying in the longer term. Especially as we need to worry more about climate change which can have localized impacts.

It’s a complex matter. We shouldn’t hesitate to centralize when it makes sense. But we should be careful, too. Centralization comes with drawbacks, no matter what. They won’t always be easy to anticipate.

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2. speakfreely ◴[] No.43748514[source]
I'm giving you an upvote because I am 51% sure that was just good trolling.
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3. MarcelOlsz ◴[] No.43748574[source]
It is an incredibly easy matter. Most people I know don't care for grinding because it doesn't earn more happiness. The few that do, are privileged software engineers making 300k+ so it makes sense for them to grind it out and be set for life and even they can quickly acknowledge that again, it doesn't bring more happiness. Most people I know are far more motivated to do things for common good, whether its limited to their friends circle or community and have no incentive to grind for a boss.

There is no logical or humane reason to keep working as much as we do. You want to be competitive join a sports league or something. If you want to question why would anyone do what I suggested you can just go to github.com and see millions of altruists doing it for free. A clear example of humanity trying to break free held down by a vast swathe of wretches of would-be millionaires and current billionaires.

It is impossible for me to entertain anything related to conserving any part of the status quo while I still have to work 40+ hours a week. It is a complete shit show and we've made no progress in the past 250 years except a couple apps and other bullshit "technology" with meaningful tech being an absolute drop in an infinite ocean of shit. How embarrassing for all of us.

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4. MarcelOlsz ◴[] No.43748578[source]
I was half joking and making a reference to his silly small government comment but I do absolutely believe in nationalizing the tits out of everything. My dream is to walk into a grocery store and everything is the best it can be, with identical labelling, no marketing, and all the information I want about it. "SALT". "WATER". Any positive iteration should lead to reward and absorption by my fictional state. I've probably read too much sci fi.
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5. steve_adams_86 ◴[] No.43748718{3}[source]
How does centralizing and nationalizing innately lead to less of a grind? I wasn’t thinking about that aspect when I wrote my comment.

Life seems like work to me. I think I live in a country that’s fortunate enough to get to believe otherwise, but when we factor in all of the externalities of our goods and services, there’s a tremendous amount of work and environmental debt (future labour) occurring. If I’m not working 40+ hours per week for the insane quality of life I have, someone is now or eventually.

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6. MarcelOlsz ◴[] No.43748775{4}[source]
If this system subsumes successful iterations it becomes more efficient. I would prefer a system that spreads out and flattens the profit curve. If you want to be a big genius and have a house 5x bigger than any in your community then you should actually work for it. Join the toilet paper co-op or whatever the fuck and iterate. I would like to see "risk" entirely eliminated. You either work your job, or you apply for a grant.

Risk is a stupid thing. There are plenty of insanely smart people who will not rock the boat because they do not want to undertake risk and so we lose out on their productivity. We've created a thunderdome where only the most callous and pathological survive and win, anyone else gets crushed.

>If I’m not working 40+ hours per week for the insane quality of life I have, someone is now or eventually.

We are living inside of the externality of a small group of peoples pathologies.

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7. lazide ◴[] No.43749629{3}[source]
Why would anything there be ‘the best it can be’ in that scenario?
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8. homarp ◴[] No.43749965{4}[source]
can linux kernel code be 'the best it can be'?
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10. lazide ◴[] No.43750171{5}[source]
because people are allowed to fix their own issues, and also allowed to put their name on their work in the public eye.

neither, generally, would be possible in the scenario you describe.

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11. lupusreal ◴[] No.43750234[source]
Maximally efficient food production and distribution is definitely not what anybody should want. Redundancy and stockpiles aren't efficient but are good for food security. Efficiency comes with fragility, which risks famine should anything ever go wrong.
12. homarp ◴[] No.43750297{6}[source]
please note that I am not OP.

How about 'generic' drugs? are they the best 'manufactured' they can be?

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13. lazide ◴[] No.43750307{7}[source]
Generally?

No. But will meet regulatory minimums insofar as active ingredients, purity, etc.

They don’t have a monopoly like the OP described, however. If they did? Yikes…

Notably, that kind of economy is roughly how the USSR ran, and no one praised it when it died.

14. freedomben ◴[] No.43753920{5}[source]
Your ideas sound interesting, but what do you do when everyone decides to take a "risk" and become an artist? Or a musician? How do you incentivize someone to be a garbage man or a sewage worker?
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15. MarcelOlsz ◴[] No.43754908{6}[source]
Thank you. I will think about this and get back to you.