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nekochanwork ◴[] No.43718533[source]
SCOTUS ruled in Mathews v. United States (1998) and in Jacobson v. United States (1992) that the government cannot induce a person to commit a crime, then arrest that individual for that crime.

Now the government is rolling out fully-automated entrapment bots.

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beloch ◴[] No.43719814[source]
The U.S. is currently disappearing people to foreign prisons, openly and in flagrant defiance of the courts. Trump has signalled he intends to expand this practice to include U.S. citizens (Just the worst convicted criminals currently in prison, of course.). If this administration can get away with all that, disappearing students who were entrapped by police will probably follow. Foreign students first, then Americans.
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dlachausse ◴[] No.43720120[source]
The lack of due process is a big problem, but what if the court in question issues an order that is impossible to legally comply with?

The United States has no jurisdiction over citizens of El Salvador in El Salvador. What is Trump supposed to do in this case, call up Pete Hegseth and order a commando style raid on the prison he’s being held in?

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spondylosaurus ◴[] No.43720332[source]
If it's impossible to legally comply with orders to bring US residents back from El Salvadoran prisons (which I'm skeptical of, but let's grant that it is truly impossible), then that's probably a sign we should stop sending people there, since it'd be impossible to comply with future orders as well.
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dlachausse ◴[] No.43720508{3}[source]
The person in question is not a legal US resident.
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m-watson ◴[] No.43720585{4}[source]
He wasn't a citizen, he was granted a work permit and it was directed that he should not be deported to El Salvador back in 2019. That arguably makes him a US resident, legally able to reside and work here.

One source - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-documents-governmen...

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spondylosaurus ◴[] No.43720719{5}[source]
Indeed.

Also I originally said "resident" and not "legal resident" because I think it's blatantly insane that anyone in the US, with legal recourse to be here or otherwise, is being captured and sent to a prison in a country they may or may not have ever been to, and in a country over which the US claims to have no authority to bring them back when ordered to do so. Kicking someone out of the US is one thing, but sending them to a shitbox supermax prison abroad is another entirely.

That said, it's also true that many of these people are LEGAL residents, which makes matters that much worse.

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m-watson ◴[] No.43721137{6}[source]
Absolutely, I was agreeing with you even though my wording was a bit strange.I wanted to try and engage in good faith forum responding to the other commenter but see that might not be productive. There are so many issues with this case and the many others that are popping up and I don't imagine they are going to get better.
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1. spondylosaurus ◴[] No.43721591{7}[source]
Oh yeah, I figured you and I were in agreement! I meant that as an addition aimed at anyone reading this thread, not in a combative shot at you, so apologies if it came off as such :P