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seanhunter ◴[] No.43714467[source]
Firstly that is completely badass science. The idea that you can use observations to detect the chemical composition of an exoplanet millions of kilometres away is an absolute triumph of the work of thousands of people over hundreds of years. Really amazing and deeply humbling to me.

Secondly, my prior was always that life existed outside of earth. It just seems so unlikely that we are somehow that special. If life developed here I always felt it overwhelmingly likely that it developed elsewhere too given how incredibly unfathomably vast the universe is.

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ta8645 ◴[] No.43714565[source]
If life is very common in the universe, then that is probably bad news for us. It means that civilizations should exist that are millions of years more technologically advanced than us; and should be leaving telltale signatures across the sky that we'd likely have detected by now. And the absence of those signs would be relatively strong evidence that life, while common, isn't long-lived. Suggesting that our demise too, will come before too long.

If, on the other hand, life is relatively rare, or we're the sole example, our future can't be statistically estimated that way.

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aardvark179 ◴[] No.43714604[source]
You seem to be conflating life, multicellular life, and intelligent life. Life appears to have developed on Earth pretty quickly, multicellular life took a long time to appear, and we are only aware of one species that developed civilisation building capabilities.

Life might be very common, but intelligent life still be incrediblY rare.

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martopix ◴[] No.43714694{3}[source]
It depends what you mean by "civilization building". I think we gloss over that a bit too much. We're not the largest population, not the largest total mass, not the only one that builds large structures. We're the only one that sent stuff outside of Earth, yes, and a few other things. But discussing the definition is itself interesting
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ivan_gammel ◴[] No.43714724{4}[source]
We are capable of rapidly changing chemical composition of atmosphere, which may be noticeable even at our technological level.
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milesrout ◴[] No.43714763{5}[source]
Plenty of lifeforms have changed the composition of the atmosphere. At faster rates than we are changing it now.
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1. concats ◴[] No.43715133{6}[source]
The only similar example I can think of is when, roughly 2400 million years ago (during the Paleoproterozoic iirc), the ancestors of cyanobacteria poisoned their atmosphere by overproducing oxygen which resulted in an extinction event. But that whole process still took somewhere in the order of millions of years to complete I believe.
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2. SideburnsOfDoom ◴[] No.43715209[source]
> But that whole process still took somewhere in the order of millions of years to complete I believe.

The geological evidence is that that oxygen build-up first had to exhaust things that took the reactive oxygen out of the air and water. Iron oxide was laid down as huge deposits of "banded iron ore" The great rust. (1)

This is hard to get an exact number on, but as far as I know, it is estimated to have taken at least 500 million years.

And then oxygen increased again, a billion years later (2)

It was not fast. It was measured in 100 million year ticks.

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event#Banded_i...

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoproterozoic_oxygenation_eve...