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seanhunter ◴[] No.43714467[source]
Firstly that is completely badass science. The idea that you can use observations to detect the chemical composition of an exoplanet millions of kilometres away is an absolute triumph of the work of thousands of people over hundreds of years. Really amazing and deeply humbling to me.

Secondly, my prior was always that life existed outside of earth. It just seems so unlikely that we are somehow that special. If life developed here I always felt it overwhelmingly likely that it developed elsewhere too given how incredibly unfathomably vast the universe is.

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ta8645 ◴[] No.43714565[source]
If life is very common in the universe, then that is probably bad news for us. It means that civilizations should exist that are millions of years more technologically advanced than us; and should be leaving telltale signatures across the sky that we'd likely have detected by now. And the absence of those signs would be relatively strong evidence that life, while common, isn't long-lived. Suggesting that our demise too, will come before too long.

If, on the other hand, life is relatively rare, or we're the sole example, our future can't be statistically estimated that way.

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ivan_gammel ◴[] No.43714706[source]
> And the absence of those signs would be relatively strong evidence that life, while common, isn't long-lived.

If dark forest theory is right, alien civilizations may stay undetectable by hiding biological signatures of their worlds.

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milesrout ◴[] No.43714779[source]
And the evidence of that is what? What is the mechanism behind that? How is it testable?

This is what annoys me about this field. It is just magical thinking and baseless speculation. Random ideas get given names like "dark forest theory" like they are deep and consequential.

What you said is the only consequence of that "theory", because that "theory" is literally just the idle speculation that "alien civilizations may stay undetectable by hiding biological signatures of their worlds."

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1. ivan_gammel ◴[] No.43715009[source]
It’s game theory, mathematics. Let’s say every player has 3 actions: do nothing, expose yourself and destroy the player you aware about. Your goal is survival. If you expose yourself in this game and there’s at least one player choosing „destroy“ action, you loose.

Now, of course there’s a question of applicability of this model: 1. are there other players? (if the game started, we won’t know until we observe destruction event - but that’s falsifiability) 2. do they have means to destroy you? (we may find out) 3. do they have motivation to destroy you? (we may find out) 4. can you protect yourself against unknown level of technology? (we may find out).

This theory meets scientific criteria, it’s just that those criteria require level of technology that we may not reach in thousands of years.