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tikhonj ◴[] No.43667636[source]
I've had a great time using Emacs Lisp over the past 15 years: it's one of the easiest ways to quickly whip up personalized tools for my own use, and, at the same time, my code has been surprisingly resilient and stable over this time.

And this is despite the fact that Emacs Lisp routinely flouts every single software engineering "best practice". The language is dynamically scoped by default! It simply doesn't have namespaces! Static types? Hah! (And I, an inveterate Haskeller, don't even miss them.) You can—and people routinely do—hook directly into all sorts of implementation details from other parts of the codebase.

And yet it just works. And it works remarkably well.

My theory: what matters isn't "best practices", it's have a coherent conceptual design and code that reflects that design. Emacs is designed around a small but expressive set of core concepts that it uses in a consistent manner. Text with properties, buffers, modes, commands, customization variables... Almost everything more complex in Emacs is structured out of these (+ a handful more), and, once you've internalized them, it's surprisingly easy to both learn new higher-level tools and to write your own.

The design of both the user interface and the code directly reflect these concepts which gives us a naturally close connection between the UI and the code (it's almost trivial to jump from an interaction to the code that powers it), makes both UI and code units effortlessly composable and generally makes it easier to understand what's going on and how we can change it.

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golly_ned ◴[] No.43668618[source]
I’ve consistently failed to make writing elisp net positive for me for basically anything. I use it as a configuration language, and even then, for functions longer than a few lines, it’s still a lot of coding for very little benefit. I just can’t find things to improve in such a way that it’ll actually be worth writing elisp code for, especially compared to other tools (like a quick Python script or even a bash one-liner), or things within Emacs. What are the things you’ve written in elisp that have helped you?
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1. iLemming ◴[] No.43688133[source]
> I’ve consistently failed to make writing elisp net positive for me for basically anything.

That's sad to hear, because I somehow have the exact opposite experience. First, it was about fixing things in my config. Then I often would catch myself in a "why can't I do this better" state. And it could be anything. Like one day I was copying the current URL in the browser, and then switched again to copy the description. Next day I caught myself doing that again. And I realized - "shit, I never thought before how often I have to do this crap". Then I wrote a helper.

These days, I don't even blink, if I need something, I'll just start whipping up some shitty Elisp in my scratch buffer. And with help of LLM packages like gptel - it's a breeze. What's awesome is that I can play with that code even without having to save that shit anywhere. Sometimes, I realize the solution is not as easy to make as I initially thought, so I'd just leave it there in my scratch buffer. It sits there, sometimes marinating for weeks - I have a persistent scratch buffer. I even get excited when I stumble on a problem I want to optimize.

Few weeks ago I was in a pair-programming Zoom, and my colleague, let's call them Matthew, was screen sharing. I couldn't help distracting Matt asking questions like, what is that? Can you share this link? Wait a minute, don't scroll away, I need to write that down. etc.

After that I thought of solving that dilemma. I sat down and wrote a helper that calls tesseract to OCR text from an image in clipboard. Took me no more than 20 minutes. https://github.com/agzam/.doom.d/blob/main/modules/custom/wr...